Did Tiger Ted Have The Handcuffs On Against Rocky?

:huh
No, but it would be 'handcuffs' in the boxing sense.
(obviously he wasn't wearing ACTUAL handcuffs !)

 

I disagree.
Wearing the handcuffs does not mean you agree to lose necessarily.
In fact you can wear the handcuffs and win clearly.

 

It is hard to think of another world heavyweight champion who had such a tremendous manager and trainer combination as Rocky Marciano did during his career. While Al Weill, as the manager, appears to have been less than totally honest in his monetary dealings with Rocky, there isn't any doubt that Weill did a masterful job in guiding Rocky to the world heavyweight championship. Weill seemed to have the knack of matching Rocky with the right opponent at the right time. With Charley Goldman as his trainer, Marciano developed underrated skills and an extremely effective fighting style which suited his abilities very well.

During the middle 1950s after Rocky retired, an investigation of professional boxing in California revealed that Weill skimmed ten thousand dollars off the top in the promotion of Marciano's title defense in a bout with Don ****ell in San Francisco. It appears that Rocky was extremely angry when learning about it. The same investigation led to Babe McCoy, the powerful matchmaker at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, to be banned from boxing for life due to revelations that he was managing some fighters in a clandestine manner and was having certain fighters take dives.

- Chuck Johnston

 

So all journeymen who set out just to go the distance to test a prospect with no real desire to win are all wearing handcuffs? Most don't mind one way or the other if they win or not, they just want a fight every few weeks.

My definition of wearing the cuffs is where a Decent fighter who usually wins hangs back to order. George Godfrey or Curtis Sheppard type thing.

There is another definition, a gee up, where both guys are in on it and spar for 9 rounds to make it look good then fight on the level in the last round just to make a show. But that's something else.

 

No he did not. Apologies unforgiven:good.

No, I was just looking to differentiate between the definitions. Handcuffs is where a better fighter goes easy on the upstart isn't it? The handcuffed fighter is carrying a lesser foe. I was suggesting that a journeyman, even a skilled one has usually reached the stage where he is taking fights to make ends meet, he's not necessarily there to win, just survive, put on a show and take another opponent next week. It's different.

 

I think Ted L. kind of explains what happened here when he got hurt in the 5th round, Ted still felt he won 2 rounds but that was in his opinion, so if we assume Ted did win the 1st 4 rds and in the 5th Marciano changed his style and hurt him badly and thought Marciano broke his arm and then Ted went into the survival mode. Just from Teds own words the last 6 rds were in Marciano's favor because he gives himself 2 of those 6 which leads me to believe Marciano was the aggressor in the last 6, so even if we take use Teds judging he admitted that he went into the survival mode and Marciano was the aggressor I can see it being a close fight and I can see where people and Judges would have a difference of opinion. Marciano was young both weighed near 180lbs and the Judges voted for Marciano. This is not like the Pac-Bradley fight where I and most thought Bradley may have won 3 rds. Sometimes people judge on the power over volume and if Ted said he was hurt from a hook he thought his arm broke from the blocked right hand I am sure the Judges saw it as well and it factored into their decision



"Lowry then goes on to give the details of that fight. He claims he hit Rocky at will for the first four rounds and had him hanging on the ropes by the fourth round. He claims the bell saved Rocky in that round. In the fifth he say's Rocky changed his style, started to figure him out a bit, and started to move around him instead of rushing, and was able to get him a bit better as a result.

"In the fifth round, he stopped rushing me and throwing punches everywhere. He slowed down and began to concentrate on what he was doing. He threw a right hand and then a left hook. I blocked his right hand and threw up my right hand by my ear to block the hook. That's when I found out that he could punch. He hit me on my arm, and I thought he almost broke it."

From that point on, I fought a defensive fight."

 

Let's face it , it could well of been that the judges were the ones who probably would of been the easiest to influence by the wise guys . After all it goes on today so both boxers are usually the innocent parties in fixed fights