Did Tyson Fury's brilliant mind games pre rematch make Wilder overconfident going into the rematch?

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  1. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    Not to say this would have changed the end result of the fight but there is absolutely no doubt that the manner in which Fury deliberately or subconsciously enters and influences an opponents mind is just unparalleled in the current boxing scenario

    1) Fury refused to rematch Wilder immediately after the first fight and that led to accusations from Team Wilder and Wilder hardcore fans that Fury was afraid of Wilders power and was wary of fighting him again knowing he got away from being ruled knocked out in the first fight in the final round

    2) Fury going into the Wilder rematch had a nasty cut in the Wallin fight and a very tough fight against an unknown opponent giving the impression to team Wilder that Fury was not the same fighter. Then we heard rumours from Furys camp that all sparring partners were being instructed not to target Furys head and eye, giving immense confidence to Team Wilder that his eye was there for the taking in the rematch

    3) Fury changed trainers and this gave the impression of self doubt confusion in the Fury camp about the strategy going into the rematch to Team Wilder

    4) There were reports coming in from Fury's camp and even from Eddie Hearn that the Fury camp was in chaos and panic. Fury was later pictured with a wrapping on his ankle and a cast, walking with a stick. Apparently Fury actually faked this injury in order to figure who was the mole in his camp who was feeding off information to PBC and Team Wilder and he then carried on with the strategy to further ensure Team Wilder were complacent.

    5) Fury's non serious, non aggressive, non emotional behaviour and conduct in the final stages of the rematch where he was doing his WWE stints, where he gave the impression of yeah whatever, I am just here for the pay day, this is just a regular day in the office for me, blah blah, I am going to knock him out in the second round (something he had never done to most opponents before). Normally Fury is very nasty with the verbals and expletives and had Fury behaved like this with Wilder I am sure it would have made Wilder more charged up but at the time most ex boxers, experts felt that Fury was just talking out of his Ass with regards to his game plan and clearly this is a cash out fight for him. How can you not blame Wilder for not laughing and mock Fury with "pillow Ass fists" comments and completely let his guard down

    5) The final master stroke came on the day of the weigh in where Wilder looked like Adonis with the body of a Greek God even though he weighed in at 231 lbs a career highest whereas Fury refused to take his clothes off and registered 274 lbs on the scales. There was a leaked photo of Fury showing a heavily bloated stomach and that prompted even Teddy Atlas to heavily blast Fury for doing another Andy Ruiz. However it was later revealed that Fury heavily over drank gallons and gallons of water for that weigh in to give Team Wilder the impression that he was actually out of shape for the rematch whereas in reality it was just a master stroke in deception

    Given all this above, can you really blame Wilder from having the WTF expression on his face from the moment the bell rang where Fury just went after him. I don't profess that the result of the fight could be anything other than a Fury win if these guys fight ten times but I wonder if Wilder can recover from this shock to his system and whether the result of the third fight actually end up in his favour if he takes Fury seriously like no tommorow

    I think this Covid 19 delay is actually extremely beneficial for him, it gives him a chance to get maximum rest for his injuries, healing psychologically and mentally from the second fight beat down, put in the work in the gym on his weak areas and watching tapes and trying to put together a proper disciplined intelligent game plan to help him regain the belt

    Anyways Tyson Fury indeed delivered a true master stroke with his deceiving conduct and behaviour going into the Wilder rematch
     
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  2. FuryFTW

    FuryFTW Active Member banned Full Member

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    I only skimmed that but boy are you reaching

    Here's the fact, plain, simple and succinct

    Tyson Fury at or above 70% fitness is just TOO GOOD for Deontay Wilder

    That is all there is to it.
     
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  3. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Wilder is overconfident by default. Fury didn’t screw around in the rematch. He completely neutralized Wilder’s best tools and beat Wilder like he owned him.
     
  4. Likethembigroundchunky

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    These sort of mind games might make a difference at an amateur level of sport but in the elite professional ranks, no.

    We, the public, think they make a difference because they would affect us. That statement makes it all just part of the show.

    edited to add - you need to think about it the other way around. For example Fury's mind games gets Fury into the zone. Its part of his routine to psyche himself into the right mind set as well as selling the fight
     
  5. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Some good points, but think you have to be cautious about applying post hoc rationale to some of the events.

    For instance, I think point one was primarily about finances. Using the uplift from the first fight to negotiate a new deal with top rank and committing to building the Fury brand over several fights. More time to prepare for Wilder 2, but crucially more money.

    The wallin performance and cut in particular was no chess move but a misstep. Without Favourable refereeing her. Have been stopped and lost a great deal of leverage.

    Some of these events in retrospect may have helped wilder underestimate Fury, but not sure they were all part of a grand plan.
     
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  6. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Skills pay the bills

    In boxing if two men have an equal level of skill and one has a superior physical ability that guy will win

    In boxing if you have less skill you need to have a physical advantage to overcome the skill deficit

    Wilder has a physical and skill deficit to Fury. He cannot beat him.

    Fury has EVERY advantage on all of his peers bar pound for pound power and maybe outright chin (Ruiz Jr has the best chin)
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury is definitely a game player, and a couple of those things may be legit. Most of the win is just a function of the fact that Fury is a much better fighter and had another year and change to get in better shape.

    Implying that the cut was some kind of tactical move is the bridge too far. But yeah, not taking off the clothes...I don't think there was any question that was to keep him guessing.
     
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  8. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Most of Fury's opponent talk themselves into a hole which they can't recover

    Wlad did a great job at it. In the build up for the rematch Wlad tried to make lame excuses for losing to Fury and a heavily depressed Fury absolutely tore him apart without even trying. Wlad looked a total fool.

    Never make excuses

    Emmanuel saw in 2011 that Fury mentally had it over all of his peers and even Wlad. The sauna champion and didn't let Wlad belittle him.

    A 23 year old Fury basically walked into Wlad's camp and claimed himself the alpha.

    Think about mad that is? then he dethroned him in a sauna because Wlad didn't want to spar.

    Fury is a legend

    People will look back in 50 years time at his dethroning of Wlad into this new era of HW boxing as the same as Ali when he stopped Liston.
     
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  9. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    No it was all down to the costume.
     
  10. UFC2020

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    Not disagreeing that skill, talent, physical abilities wise Fury is just the better fighter.

    But Fury no doubt with his ultra relaxed, unusually calm composed pre fight press conferences and by not making any fun of Wilder, abusing him and even mentioning his game plan of knocking him out in a very non serious manner led Wilder to believe this guy is not as charged up for the rematch and he got brutally shocked within a few minutes when the ball ran
     
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  11. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Wilder did think Fury was out of shape and probably got extra confidence from the cut.
    Faking the injury in camp was brilliant, he doesn't get enough credit for that counter espionage!
     
  12. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're dead right regarding your OP. He's the master at mind games (to go with his obvious talents as a fighter) and a lot of the time, fans and certain opponents fall for it. In his biggest fights, he's beaten his opponents before hopping into the ring with them.
     
  13. BELLERS

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    Fury is unique in the build up to most fights. He is a one off. I don’t think it’s all planned, some is just spur of the moment shenanigans. Nobody knows what he’s going to do.
    Wlad was completely thrown & had no idea what was going. He probably thought he was dealing with a madman !
    Wilder was similar, ‘How can this guy come into my world and abuse me !?’
    When Fury meets AJ, the build up will be fascinating, probably as much as the fight itself.
     
  14. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If anything Wilder mentally was beaten before the fight.