Did Tyson really duck Lewis in 96?

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WBA allowed Lewis to fight Grant tho. Only after the fight was signed King went to court to duck Lewis and get him stripped off the belt so Ruiz could fight for the vacant one.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    No, Lewis quacked out of that contest because he had legal avenue to peruse in order to force the fight but he chose to take the step aside money insead.
     
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  3. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    No. Lewis argued that he signed a fraudulent contract (the fact that he should defend against the WBA n°1 contender or the leading available one) and sued King. Then as you say, the WBA allowed the Grant fight but King counter sued and won.
    It's was Lewis who didn't respect what he contractually agreed on.
     
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  4. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    The offer (as well as others) was reported on the press.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis faced a contender that was far more highly rated at the time by the consensus. And he tried to face Ruiz after that.

    Neither of these conditions apply for the case of Tyson-Lewis
     
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  6. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson faced WBA champion Bruce Seldon and WBA n°2 rated (and former undisputed champion) Evander Holyfield.
    What's the difference ?
    In 1996, Tyson was three times more active than Lewis, the supposed man Tyson wanted to duck.
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I already spelled it out for you, but, ok, once again:

    Lewis faced someone who was consensus much higher ranked than Ruiz. Tyson faced someone who was lower ranked than Lewis in Seldon.

    Lewis then tried to face Ruiz to make his defence. Tyson, on the other hand, chose to drop his belt rather than to defend against Lewis even after Seldon. He instead chose to face yet another one lower ranked than Lewis.
     
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  8. NewChallenger

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    I will just leave it at this. After checking Lewis' purses besides his Tyson purse in 2002 which was 17.5 million and the second Holyfield fight was the only ever purse he had that was above the 13.5 million he was offered to fight Mike.

    Meaning purse bids or no purse bids, Lewis was for all intents and purposes regardless of who he fought besides the 2nd Holyfield fight which happened after the 96 Tyson fight in the making only worth 13.5mill.

    So Lewis ducked Tyson in other words and Tyson didn't want to pay him more because he wasn't worth more so he dumped the WBC belt after giving him the step aside money.

    If Lewis pricing himself out of a fight is considered a duck by Tyson ,then I guess Tyson ducked Lewis
     
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  9. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    Lewis and Holyfield contractually agreed before their fights to defend first against the WBA mandatory challenger.
    Lewis renegated the agreement after he won all the titles and sued Don King for fraudulent contract. He then choosed to face HBO's most bankable challenger (Grant). Yes, the WBA agreed but Don King was in his right when he counter sued and won, because Lewis didn't follow the contract.
    That's exactly the same situation with Tyson, as he couldn't fight Holyfield (the most bankable fighter) and keep the WBC belt.
     
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  10. Overhand94

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    Great comment.
    The crazy thing about this is that Lewis accepted a meager 2 million to fight McCall just after, which is almost 7 times less than what he was offered by Tyson.
     
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  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    That $45 mill offer was bogus homie.
     
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  12. NewChallenger

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    it really was, just look at all of the fight purses Lennox had. He made hte most with Tyson which was that 17.5 Million in 2002.

    And a lot of people said " oh he picked Holyfield because he was easier" .
    Yeah, Mike got his ass kicked. But he walked away with 30 Million. Against Lewis Mike walked away with 17.5 Million and the Lewis fight was brewing just as long as the fight with Evander was, 6 years. So it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out why Mike decided to fight Holyfield.

    Evander got paid less than Lewis, he got 12 million for the first fight with Mike, why? Because Evander (Despite being a dirty fighter) has balls of steel and knew he was gonna win,he was confident he was gonna win. Evander , who just had a ****ing heart attack was confident enough to go in to fight Mike.

    What was Evanders reward in winning besides the 12$ million and the WBA Belt?
    a rematch where he earned 35 Million because he must have known he had leverage, as he had the same leverage he had with Bowe.

    For some insane reason, Lewis had this idea in his head that he was worth more money than he was. Becuase if you look at Lewis/Holyfield/Tyson's purses then you look at Lewis purses and this guy is pricing himself out of so many fights. I think that is what the reason for him not fighting people was, it's because he wasn't confident he could win so he pirced himself out, if he had won, there would be rematch clauses and stuff and usually in the 90s rematches made more money
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It isn't. And I spelled it out for you. Twice. It's clear as day for anyone here who isn't a Tyson fan or Lewis hater. This is just childish.

    I'm not going to waste more time on you. We both know you're wrong and everyone else here knows it too. Bye.
     
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  14. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just like 13.5 million offer was bogus then. It came from the same source.
     
  15. Overhand94

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    Yes, everyone who point out Saint Lewis double standard is a hater.
    You keep ignoring my point about the contractual obligation but it's fine.
     
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