Did Tyson use 'roids?

whos to say cus dmato never read this book

 

Steroids are almost totally harmless as far as medicine and drugs go.

Also, they wont make an ordinary fighter into a good one or a good one into a great one.

Also, when people say they know some heavyweight is on steroids because he put on 10-15 pounds of what appears to be solid weight on in under a year they just sound like one of those guys who goes to the gym for a month, doesn't see any progress, then accuses everyone who's at all built of using steroids !

Everyone mistakenly associates the beautiful well-defined physiques with steroids. But not many people were saying Frans Botha or James Toney were obviously on steroids before they tested positive.

And who really cares anyway ?

I think lots of heavyweights used steroids. It means nothing.

 

No way was Tyson 195 when he left prison. He was always heavy when not training. He started training before his release in prison, but no way was he under 200 pounds ever.

 

Mike certainly didn't have that bull neck when he got out of prison. I'm not saying about steroids either way, but I do find it not too hard to think he was 200 or less at the time.

As for the roids issue in general, I don't think we'll ever know for certain about anybody and the 'cast iron' ways of spotting it can be unstable at best.

Unless someone comes out and admits it, it has to be benefit of the doubt I think in all cases. Some may have more doubt than others but we can never be 100% about everyone.

 

I have to say Ive never seen him as ripped as he was for McNeely. He certainly wasnt that ripped after that fight, but it could have been just been a great diet and over zealous training from being gone for so long. I seriously doubt Tyson would ever need roids to enhance his muscle mass and strength. He was naturally freakishly strong, and battled the bulge more than weight loss. His sister and mother both were obese and now that you see Tyson in a more natural setting, he has the same problems with weight.

 

Reminded me of some funny personal experiences.

Walking out of Gold's gym in Baltimore 2004 and accidentally kick something as I'm trying to get to my car in the parking lot.
The sound it makes is really weird - glass or metallic so I go to check it out, lo and behold, an empty bottle of Winstrol.

Last month, Gold's gym here in San Antonio. Find one of the last open lockers and start to throw my stuff in. On opening the locker door, i'm greeted by an empty syringe.

According to Bigger, Stronger, Faster over 90% of steroid users are recreational.



So you mean to tell me that the same kid that was arrested 38 times by the age of 13 would do something illegal like steroids? *gasp* :shock: /sarcasm

 

Cus D'Amato was pretty old school. I have doubts about him subscribing to such concepts.

 

Tyson at the age of twelve weighed the same as a small cruiserweight without any fat on his body. He was a freak of nature pyhsicaly. I don't think he would of ever taken steroids as he never needed to.... it's easy to demonise him as a simple 'hood', but even though he acted in a very questionable manner much of the time he was a very complex individual and there was more to him than just being big and angry.

Besides, I don#t reckon Cus or Ronney would of allowed anything like that to happen to him when they had him.

 

actually "simple 'hood'" and "big and angry" aren't where i was going with that.

he was a kid picked on for his voice, coming from a dysfunctional family, with little supervision, in 2 of the poorest neighborhoods in one of the biggest cities in the world. he got into fights a lot even before boxing & had a rep for mugging. from a young age, his fists were the measure of payback he could visit upon the world in response to his effed up environment.

I have a friend that was put on monthly growth hormone shots almost 20 years ago at the age of 11 in hopes that he would reach a normal height. a friend who happens to be built a lot like Tyson - ie a fireplug of a guy that stopped growing when he was 15, but still maintains ridiculous muscle mass & crazy ability to drop fat in short periods of time, eventhough the chemical enhancement is long behind him.

i've heard the cheque drops rumor and wouldn't be surprised if he'd started cycling after prison, but who's to say Tyson didn't get ahold of something at a young age?
it's not exactly like he was living in a sheltered environment.

 

Why would anyone be giving Tyson steroids before the age of 11 for? he was into muggings but from what I've neard before he started boxing he used to run away from fights.

 

that book is from 1947.

cus d mato was ahead of the times in terms of knwoledge. he knew the benefit of high protein diets and building muscle long before others did

also. the stigma around steroids is only a relatively new thing. it wasnt considered bad for people until the late 80's

 

DONT GET ME WRONG

i agree that tyson was a physical freak naturally but he was competeing against other guys who were freaks is well. he had to do something to compete and / or get the edge

I KNOW loads of people who juice and they have nowhere near the amount of muscle mass that tyson had naurally or juiced

IF MIKE TYSON focused all his training and efforts purely on building muscle, he could build a 220 - 230 POUND massive physique NATURALLY

HE WASNT IN THAT POSITION. to be a top boxer ONE has to expand a lot of energy building up strengths in many area. the human body cant recover quickly enough naturally. thats why these guys take roids

 

****ing great points. they are only a part of the battle

i knwo loads of people on it and they are still lazy *******s who have not got the desire required to gain the full benfits of these drugs and maximise there potential

i am 215 pounds at a 7% body fat. 208-210 pounds of my weight is natural. i have been juicing recently becuase i wanted to put on 10 pounds of muscle quickyly without losing my great conditioning. i have nearly achieved my gains

 

The thing is people have been using potentially far more dangerous stimulants,before steroids,such as methamphetamines(speed) or cocaine(it was once even an ingredient of Coca Cola).

People talk about old school and that people aren't going to involve themselves with such a drug.I don't see it that way.For instance,athletes have been getting vitamin injections for many decades now. Unless you have a minimum acquaintance with medicine ,the benefits of vitamin supplementation is not at all obvious.On the other hand,testosterone is the male hormone. It promotes male characteristics-including strength,muscle and aggression. Essentially,it is what makes bulls bulls. A hick ,working on a farm,can immediately grasp the idea.

Secondly,people talk about the number of trainers and the transmission of new ideas and training methods,during the 40s/50s. Is it that unlikely that an ambitious young trainer, wanting to give his fighter an edge ,might have experimented with it-even in these early years? Remember you could get a doctor to give you a testosterone prescription perfectly legally then.

I admit this is all silly speculation,but it is something to think about.

 

I agree. The "old school" argument doesn't really stand up. Many of the top fighters had a "personal doctor" on hand giving them shots for this and for that.

Anyway, Cus D'amato was known for being unconventional, experimental and open to all sorts of unorthodox ideas.
I dont know if he had Tyson using steroids, nor do I think it's important. But it's certainly possible.

As pointed out, steroids didn't have the stigma or hysteria surrounding them until about 20 years ago. Also, they didn't have the mythical "magic substance" reputation, they were just another thing that some athletes might believe in and benefit from.