Did Vitali Klitschko ruin his chance to face Tyson?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    By the early 2000s, Tyson had strong ties to Showtime but refused to face DKP fighters. This is a reasonable explanation for why he did not pursue a title shot against Ruiz, Holyfield, or Byrd.

    In regard to Lewis, HBO’s contract with Lewis created a barrier to the Tyson fight until both sides came together when, and likely because, each fighter was winding down.

    In 1999, Vitali Klitschko took the WBO belt from Herbie Hide and maintained a perfect record with all fights ending inside the distance, but was a total unknown in the US.

    He blew his chance to built a strong US reputation and lost his belt when he quit in his corner with a torn rotator cuff against Chris Byrd in 2000.

    Would Tyson have pursued a fight with Vitali if Vitali had remained undefeated and kept his title (in 2000 or 2001), and what would have happened?
     
  2. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    I don't see Tyson fighting Vitali Klitschko at that point. He was looking for the easiest fights possible.
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are right - Tyson's people didn't want tough opponents for him at that point of his career. They were looking to cash him out and that's it.

    Look at the bunch of opponents he fought after his come back in 1999:

    - Botha. Tough, but very limited fighter with average power and very hittable in addition

    - Norris. Past prime, very small heavyweight. Not a puncher

    - Francis. Journeyman

    - Savarese. Tough, but incredibly slow and hittable fringe contender. Dream match up for Tyson stylistically

    - Golota. He was THE ONLY guy in this list who was relatively dangerous for Tyson. Golota was very talented fighter, but he was a slow starter and a nutcase. He always fought a way to lose big fights. Still, he was much more dangerous than anyone else of Tyson's opponents in 1999-2001 period

    - Nielsen. Old, slow ridiculously overweight fringe contender, who recently got a very tought decision win against shot Orlin Norris

    And no, Tyson (or his people) didn't want no part of Chris Byrd not because he was with Don King. Byrd has signed with King in 2002, in 1999-2001 he was promoted by Cedrick Kushner. They just didn't want to fight ANYBODY who could derail huge mone fight with Lennox Lewis - Vitali, Wlad, Byrd, Tua or any other top contender. Tyson was finished by that point and his team knew it very well
     
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  4. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    No. Still plenty of time for it to happen
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Vitali was not regarded as being very good back then and he had a belt.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Had Tyson beaten Danny Williams Klitschko had him next. Vitlai and Tyson took pictures took pictures together for the promotion.

    It would have been a blow out loss for Tyson. When Williams upset Tyson, Klitschko fought him next instead.
     
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I had a post that Tyson had his share of cherry picks and you reasoning as to why is 100% correct.
     
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  8. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali vs Tyson in the 00s was no business, Tyson had no chance
     
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  9. steve1990

    steve1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes but in the year 2000 Klitschko wasn't a heavyweight champ Lennox Lewis was. If Tyson had fought Vitali Klitschko he would have been beaten and the hopes of Lewis vs Tyson go out the window.
     
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  10. NoNeck

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    Lewis was a longshot for Tyson at that point. Tyson was lurking in the division while being excluded from possible title shots except for Vitali.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mike was worn and had nothing to gain by fighting Vitali.

    Look at who Mike fought around that period.

    He just wanted that big Lewis pay day at the end.

    If they’d have fought in the early 00’s, I think Vitali would have beaten him badly.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Vitali was hardly considered better than Golota back then.

    Tyson would’ve gained a title.

    I think he’d lose after failing to take Vitali out early.
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Vitali was all wrong for Mike at that stage.

    Even in losing on a technicality to Byrd, people could see how dangerous Vitali was.

    It just made no sense to put Mike in with him.

    He was steered towards a cash out against Lennox.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The Byrd loss made it not make sense for Tyson.
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wouldn’t have made any difference whatsoever.

    Vitali was a monster and in his prime.

    It would have been for a lightly regarded belt with no huge money at stake.

    Mike wasn’t elusive like Byrd.

    He was fighting towards a monster pay day with Lennox.

    His heart wasn’t in it anymore and he was carefully matched.

    His team wouldn’t even have considered putting him in there with Vitali. It made no sense whatsoever. It wasn’t a winnable fight for him, and nobody would have been interested in a Lewis fight.

    Why do you think he fought European level HW’s like Julius Francis?

    Shelly wouldn’t have put him within 100 yards of Vitali.