Did Vitali retire to avoid Rahman

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  1. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    English please.
     
  2. Jinx

    Jinx Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitaly would've destroyed Rachman late...Vitaly retired because he kept getting injured...
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wrong !

    He would have KO'd the dude in the 2nd or 3rd.



    As to doing everything to avoid him, there's a clear trail of medical evidence as to why he delayed and finally retired.

    And you're probably wasting your time engaging some of the dim-witted Klitschko-haters on this forum. You won't get through to them as their minds are already made up and generally unaffected by evidence or logic.
     
  4. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess that's why Vitali was ahead then :nut
    Nothing to do w/sampling. More like a comparsion you don't like. Unlike you I'm not going to put down fighters that Vitali destroyed. Johnson was a top ranked HWT when Vitali blasted him in 2. That is what bothers you about Kirk. And except for HR facing more names, prime for prime HR & KJ are quite comparable.
    Yes, Sanders & Williams are at least as good comp as what HR was facing durng his "title drive". I say better. The part time (golfer) Sanders routine is silly - grade school level "reasoning". For a part timer Sanders was pretty damn good. For a golfer he almost beat your boy Rahmen. On second thought maybe Rahmen isn't much more than a journeyman like others say. Maybe I gave him too much credit. :yep

    I posted that HR fought more name opponents than Vitali. Now you're stting up straw man arguments. It's just that HR had done nothing but (mostly) lose vs that comp. Which means you're very wrong that HR was inconsistent vs top fighters, he consistently lost :rofl At least Vitali beat Sanders, Williams, & Johnson - and in a decisive manner. :thumbsup And gave ATG LL a very tough battle. HR's lucky 1-1 vs Lewis is what makes gives him all, and I mean ALL his claim to fame. :p
    See how much that counts w/the Zakman's on ESB, who think less of LL than I do. Btw, Zakman (correctly) has been one among many ridiculing your batty Vitali vs HR theories. :yep
     
  5. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  6. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    No way in hell did he retire to avoid him....I don't think Vitali is afraid of anyone.
     
  7. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody retires to avoid a fighter. :rofl

    When you want to avoid a mandatory, you just vacate the belt.
     
  8. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont understand why injury is not a valid excuse, as if injuries dont happen to fighters. Recently Vargas was diagnosed with anemia and I already see posters saying that he is a ***** and is backing out. They are only humans **** christ sake.
     
  9. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    thats the whole point

    it's wiered that he didnt fight him really really bizar of him not to fight him
     
  10. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    This is a good post, but there is still a lot of selective sampling on your part:hey . Regardless of how inconsistent he was, you failed to mention Rahman faced the likes of Evander Holyfield, David Tua, and James Toney, way ahead of anything Kirk Johnson ever was as a heavyewight. In those fights, Rahman in my opinion, beat Toney and Tua, even though getting a draw and fought competively with Holyfield. With the exception of Byrd, and Lewis, both losses, Vitali fought and beat the same caliber of opponent Rahman did, so using your one example that Kirk Johnson was as "top rated fighter", still doesnt show that Vitali fought and beat better compeititon.
    As far as Sanders, he was dragged out of retirement to face Wladmir. When he fought Rahman he was a full time fighter, so the comparison is about as fair as Vitali beating Johnson when he did after Johnsons layoffs and out of ring knee problems. Danny Williams thats just a complete joke. Using Williams as an opponent, because he beat a shot Tyson is a joke. That fight should have been an exhibition not a title fight.
    If anything coming off of those performances, especially the Sanders fight, you would agree with me, that Vitali would have had a difficult time with Rahman had they fought. :smoke
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The bad back was legit, I dont think anyone thought Rahman had a chance vs Vitali, I think it would have been a shutout until Rahman got KO"D, and it was proven when Rahman got blasted by Maskaev. Vitali would have taken the 8million but he had health problems. He would have flattened Hasim
     
  12. The Kurgan

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    I didn't say based on his record. It's his style: long arms, making Rahman lead and firing right hands over his left render Rahman hopeless. Vitali wasn't just a back-foot fighter: given the opporunity, he'd plod forward behind that flicking jab and try to arm-punch his opponent to death.

    I don't think Rahman could get his jab started against Vitali, given the height difference and Vitali's perchant for counter-right hands.
     
  13. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    That was probably Rahmans best weapon was the jab. Like you said Vitali had a flicking jab. Even in the second fight, it started off with Rahman outjabbing Lewis, so the jab for sure would have been the key, and something I think Vitali knew he was going to have trouble with.
     
  14. The Kurgan

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    I don't think it would have been a jab contest though. Both of these guys are going to want to get into a brawl, but Vitali's punches are going to be landing first.
     
  15. madpup

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    This argument is unbelievably stupid. Vitali has an iron chin, Rahman would have not even had a puncher's chance.