Did Wilder Cement his place among the ATG because of the Fury 3 fight?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Everything I said was a fact. If your response to facts are to insult the person saying them, that's on you.
     
  2. Murderers' Row

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    Blatantly ignoring the robbery that took place in the Holyfield - Lewis fight and the Fury - Wilder fight.

    I'm so so glad your man got sparked last saturday night.
     
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  3. aaaaa

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    So taking out Spzilka because they've both fought him, and Helenius because the records state Chisora lost, beating David Price and Carlos Takam is better than 2 wins over Luis Ortiz.
     
  4. timeout

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    David price with Al Haymon backing . #tothisday
     
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  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Active Member Full Member

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    The argument about title fights is really bizarre because Wilder didn't have to beat the guy regarded as the best heavyweight in the world to become a so called champion. And the guys he was beating in so called defenses were no better than guys his contemporaries were beating.
     
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  6. Mitch87

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    Well Takam and Helenius similar level to Ortiz (what I refer to a s high Euro level fighter but not world level fighters) . Price isn't though - low Euro level.

    Don't agree with "official" score card when a person has been screwed over hence why always refer Fury as winning 3 fights against Wilder.
     
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  7. NEETzschean

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    I don't know what Povetkin has to do with this and by the metrics I mentioned (KO ratio, P4P credentials, consecutive title defences) he doesn't compete with Wilder, nor is his best win (Whyte) as good in terms of absolute ability as Wilder's (Ortiz). Maybe Povetkin does quality as an ATG but it's very subjective.
     
  8. NEETzschean

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    "And while quality matters more than quantity, racking up 10 defences (9 by KO) of his WBC belt over 5 years was a very impressive feat, requiring not just exceptional talent but great focus, motivation and discipline. Every fighter on the WBC ladder was thinking about Wilder, preparing specifically for him well in advance and studying a vast quantity of footage of him, while Wilder had many contenders to think about and could only fully occupy himself with one at a time. Moreover, heavyweight is the division where any given opponent has the biggest puncher's chance (especially today with larger heavyweights) and Wilder faced a greater variety of body types, styles and stances in his title defence run than any champion before the Klitschko era. Wilder managed more consecutive heavyweight title defences than Tyson, Lewis and Vitali: in the modern era only Wlad surpasses him in this respect."

    Douglas, McCall, Rahman, Sanders and Ruiz were all regarded as knockover jobs for the reigning champ of the time and Wilder didn't lose to a B/C level guy like this; he flattened all of his Buster Douglas's and Andy Ruiz's.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing to talk about but Deontay Wilder.
     
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  12. MAJR

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    Did Wilder secure a place amongst the all times greats by losing his second consecutive fight against Tyson Fury via stoppage as part of a trilogy in which he failed to win a single fight? Erm...I'm gonna say...no...