Did Wilder duck Wlad?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury has won all the heavyweight titles - Ring, WBA, IBF, WBO, WBC - and never lost. Wilder defended against Fury in February this year. It is the only heavyweight title fight we've had this year.

    And you are complaining Wilder didn't fight Parker for his fake belt years ago?

    What is wrong with you? LOL

    You are living in the past. You can't fight anyone in the sport better than Tyson Fury.

    Wilder is fighting him three times.

    Parker hasn't fought Fury three times. Neither has Joshua. Neither did Wlad.

    Parker and Joshua picked up vacant belts taken from Fury. Those belts mean nothing.

    Wilder is fighting the best in the sport. Nobody cares about Parker.

    Catch up.
     
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  2. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 The Original 101.3 Full Member

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    He had a belt, does that not matter? or are you stating he is a joke of a opponent?
    I mean,he had no objections facing Bernard for a belt so.....

    And the WBO is a credible title,don't be daft now,its not 1989

    I give Wilder some credit for facing Fury for what looks to be a series of 3 but not toooo much credit as i feel he kinda got stuck in this scenario by him and his team trying to cherry pick a name when they were down (but not out)
    By drawing (HA!) he was placed in a position where he had to essentially rematch him at some point and now finds himself heading towards a trilogy that i think if his team at least are honestly never really wanted
    So yeah stuck in a situation he never envisioned or wanted but fair play he isn't looking to wriggle out of it
     
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  3. The Clan

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    It’s a simple question

    Has Wilder ever fought another reigning Heavyweight World Champion?
     
  4. Brighton bomber

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    Wilder's management ruled out any attempt at unification after he won the belt, saying he needed time.

    Wlad for whatever reason never seemed to chase the fight, he could of fought Wilder instead of Jennings in the US but chose not too. I suspect he thought Wilder needed time to build his profile before it being worth his while to try and unify but I'm merely speculating.

    Wilder has only ever tried to unify once. When Martin had the belt Haymon tried to organise a unification match but the sanctioning bodies would not agree to it and so instead Haymon cashed Martin out vs Joshua.

    Prior to Wlad losing to Fury there did seem to be talk of a possible unification from both champions as both said they'd be up for it but neither team did anything to back up those intentions. So while I don't think either of them ducked each other, there really wasn't much desire from either side to make the fight.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. He fought "THE" Reigning "WORLD" Heavyweight Champion. He's fighting "THE" Reigning World Heavyweight Champion for the THIRD TIME this fall.

    Tyson Fury beat Wlad for THE World Heavyweight Title and he's never lost.

    Charles Martin, Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker and Andy Ruiz picked up belts STRIPPED from Fury. NONE of them fought Fury. None of them beat Fury for the WORLD title. All of them were paper champs. Since then they are all taking turns beating each other.

    Who cares if Wilder never fought them. None of them were the best heavyweight in the world.

    Wilder has fought Fury twice, dropped Fury twice, and drew with him. He's fighting him for a third time this fall.

    You can't fight anyone better than THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WHOLE SPORT.

    And Fury is the best fighter in the whole sport ... the undefeated World Heavy Heavyweight Champion. And Fury was the World Heavyweight Champion every time Wilder has fought him.

    Fury will be the World Heavyweight Champion when Wilder fights him a third time.

    And, if Wilder wins, WILDER will be the World Heavyweight Champion.

    There's the answer to your simple question. Tyson Fury is the ONLY World Heavyweight Champion. And Wilder has fought him twice, going on a third.

    I've never seen people complain so much about a guy fighting THE VERY BEST repeatedly instead of like the sixth best heavyweight.

    Do you work for the WBO or something? Jesus. Nobody cares who the WBO champ is.

    Joshua, who is the WBO champ, cares so little about the WBO belt that he picked up from Parker and again from Ruiz, that he's willing to dump that belt so he can fight Fury next year. That's how much those alphabet belts stripped from Fury matter.
     
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  6. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So that’s a ‘No’ then
     
  7. Badbot

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    Wilder ducked just about everyone.
    10 title defenses and only 2 guys were in the top 10.
    Povetkin would have made it 3, if the mandatory challange had gone through. And well, I guess we can´t blame Wilder for the WBC demanding a rematch with Stiverne.

    43 pro fights, 5 years as a champion and he only faced 3 guys who were in the top 10. He definitely ducked someone.
    But Wlad´s career was pretty much over by the time Wilder won the WBC belt. Wlad had just made it back on to HBO and into America, but Fury spoiled whatever could have happened.
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL !

    How is fighting THE World Heavyweight Champion three times a "no?"

    Am I talking to Francisco Valcaral, WBO president ... or Daryl Peoples, the IBF president and genius who thought stripping Fury in favor of the Czar Glazkov-Charles Martin winner was a great idea.?

    Wilder is only interested in fighting the very best heavyweight on the planet ... and he'll do so for the third time when he returns this year.

    In fact, the big headline the night Charles Martin "won" his IBF belt buried on an undercard -- (when Glazkov twisted his knee) was Wilder and Fury in the ring after Wilder's fight going nose to nose hyping a matchup between each other - and they've since fought twice.

    Meanwhile, Joseph Parker is fighting Shawndell Winters.

    Even Joshua would rather fight Fury than keep any of his belts, because his belts are worthless without a win over Fury, too.

    Your belts are pretty, though. I'll give you that. Like participation trophies. Everyone gets one. Martin got one. Ruiz got some. Joshua got some. Parker got one. They tried to give Glazkov one. Now they're trying to give Usyk one.

    But none of them have faced the WORLD champ Fury, except Wilder ... third time is the charm.
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL.

    Except the best fighter in the whole world, who he's about to face for the third time.

    Jesus.

    If someone fought Loma three times in the past two years, and dropped him twice, and drew with him, would you complain that the guy also didn't fight Robert Easter a couple years ago, so, therefore, he sucks?

    You can't fight ANYONE better than the best fighter in the whole sport. Right?

    That's what Wilder has done twice already and will do again this fall.

    Give it a rest already.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, you act like he fought 10 different guys.

    FOUR of his defenses were against Ring Magazine top four heavyweights. He defended against Ortiz and Fury TWICE each. And they remain in the top four of the Ring magazine ratings.

    All were WBC contenders.

    How many of Anthony Joshua or Joseph Parker's title defenses were against RING ranked contenders? Where were guys like Eric Molina, Andy Ruiz, Carlos Takam, Hughie Fury, Razvan Cojanu and Kubrat Pulev rated by Ring when they signed on the dotted line? (LOL)

    So stop the bull.

    Where is Razvan Cojanu rated these days?
     
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  11. Badbot

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    :lol: I said just about everyone. Good job ignoring the rest of my post.
    And Wilder fought Fury after Fury came back from retirement. And let´s face it, Fury looked like **** in his comeback.
    So it´s not like he went after the biggest challenge.

    Hell, the Fury fights happened just recently. Wilder won the title 4 years before he fought Fury. Took his sweet time to fight the best.
    ""But Wilder fought the best!" Yup, sure did. After wasting the rest of his career and 10 title defenses.

    Andy I do think Wilder sucks. He has regressed tremendously. There was a time when he seemed to making improvements but suddenly it was all about that one big right hand.
     
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  12. Badbot

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    2 guys. :lol:
    That´s still two guys. Yea, he fought them twice and I do give him credit for that.
    (And then there is Stiverne, who was a top 10 guy when he held the belt)
    But 2 guys is 5 years? GTFO.
     
  13. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely avoided fighting Wlad. Wilder was well into his career as a pro during Wlad's championship reign. Wilder pretty much avoided fighting anyone with a pulse. He only took on Fury because he thought fat rusty Fury was a cherry.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wasted 10 defenses? You seem to have a problem with math.

    FOUR of his defenses came against guys who were rated in the top four by Ring WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM and they REMAIN in the top four in the Ring ratings.

    They are still there.

    Wilder is fighting Fury (THE WORLD CHAMP) twice THIS YEAR.

    Meanwhile, this year, Joseph Parker fought Shawdell Winters. (Where is Shawndell Winters rated by Ring?)

    And Joshua is fighting Pulev. (Where is Pulev rated by Ring?)

    But let's complain about who Wilder didn't fight FIVE years ago. Enough already. You guys need to play a lot of catch up because you seem to be behind a wall you put up around 2016.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

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    Yes. Two guys + Two defenses each = equals FOUR defenses.

    And the others were against WBC contenders, as he was the WBC champ.

    Why do you keep saying he wasted 10 defenses?
     
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