Did Wlad deserved to be DQ'd vs Povetkin?

Kissan · Jan 1, 2025

dmt said: ↑

without a shadow of a doubt. Not only should he has been disqualified, he should have been banned from boxing for a year. The Germans would allow him to get away with anything though.
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Wasn't the fight in Povetkins backyard, literally, in Moscow?!

miniq · Jan 1, 2025

Wlad the jab grab midget pusher with rigged padded canvases. A big stiff idiot.

dmt · Jan 1, 2025

Kissan said: ↑

Wasn't the fight in Povetkins backyard, literally, in Moscow?!
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my mistake. my point still stands: The refs in Germany allowed Wlad to get away with things he should never have been allowed to.

cuchulain · Jan 1, 2025

Babality said: ↑

That fight was a travesty. That wasn't boxing. He was allowed to hold as much as he wanted to with no consequences.
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Povetkin said Wlad won fair and square.

Babality · Jan 1, 2025

cuchulain said: ↑

Povetkin said Wlad won fair and square.
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Just being a good sport.

kriszhao · Jan 1, 2025

Kissan said: ↑

Wasn't the fight in Povetkins backyard, literally, in Moscow?!
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Yeah it was in Moskow.

kriszhao · Jan 1, 2025

ForemanJab said: ↑

It was ugly no question about it but people forget that Povetkin was knocked down 4 times in the fight. Every time they exchanged Povetkin got hurt. Look at the state of his face after the fight. At a certain point he mentally checked out and dove into Wlad’s chest at every opportunity because he wanted to live to see another day.
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Yep. Povetkin was just trying to survive after a few rounds when he realized he was outmatched.

Babality · Jan 1, 2025

kriszhao said: ↑

Yep. Povetkin was just trying to survive after a few rounds when he realized he was outmatched.
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The ref allowing Wlad to do that couldn't have contributed to Povetkin feeling helpless?

DaRealJT · Jan 1, 2025

MorvidusStyle said: ↑

He was literally jumping at Povetkin to grapple him.
Wlad has always been a fake gentleman and a cheater. He's currently pretending to defend Ukraine on social media with a rifle while going to rich people parties in Arabia with his designer outfits.

Very weird how he made all this hype about coming back so he could be in the spotlight again, then suddenly shut it all down because 'Usyk was continuing'. Of course he is, that was always going to happen and Wlad knew it.
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Yep. Wlad and his brother are two of the biggest scumbags to ever be associated with the sport of boxing, and I’m not even talking about their cheating and deck-stacking when they were inside the ring. What they’re doing right now in Ukraine is egregious.

Shootlow · Jan 1, 2025

Perkin Warbeck said: ↑

Daniel Dubois should have been DQed against Hrgovic for many head butts and low blows. But it seemed the referee was paid to ignore those fouls by sneaky old Fish Eyes.

He tried the same against Joshua, but the honest referee warned him twice in round one, then he fought clean and still beat Joshua rather easily.
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A bit cryptic for me this one. Dubois is dirty, yes I agree. Should Wlad have been disqualified?

cuchulain · Jan 1, 2025

Babality said: ↑

Just being a good sport.
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If a Russian thinks he’s getting ripped off by a Ukrainian, he’ll complain.

northpaw · Jan 2, 2025

Boxed Ears said: ↑

Not the way I remember it, and I'll contextualize it this way:

There are three points of blame here. The top one for me is the referee. They normally let the champion or the "A-side" get away with whatever their foul preferences are-and it's always wrong when they do. But this referee could've done what was done in the Jennings match and it would have likely become competitive. You don't deserve to be disqualified for this tactic unless you've been repeatedly warned and twice had points deducted, imo. It's not like someone headbutting you (as Wlad actually did to Fury, pretty blatantly). It's not that level of foul, and it has to be treated differently than that. So. blame number one is the referee never allowed it to get to disqualification in a natural progression by starting to deal with it so late. If he had called DQ at any point, even after the warning, that I remember, that would've been abrupt because he hadn't been on it from jump where he should've been. They could've forced tactical change in the opening third of the fight and put Wlad in danger of losing on points or DQ because of penalty and that's the more appropriate reaction. Then if he continues to abuse what he's doing, he should've been DQ'd. Only then. I have him at 50% blame.

Blame number 2: Wlad, who takes it only secondarily as it's the ref's job firstly to stop things from getting to this point. Wlad does this when he isn't hurt and actually does know how and is physically capable of punching short on smaller men. It's more absurd that he abuses this tactic when he has someone completely outmatched. He completely tainted what is arguably HIS BEST OPPONENT. I blame him at 30%.

Blame number 3: Povetkin diving in under Wlad's guard, head to stomach, ready to grab too and hapless to break out of Wlad's wet blanket when he did want to, when he knew he should be training around the tactic. So, it's both failing to deal with something Wlad normally gets away with, that WE ALL KNOW ABOUT FOR YEARS, and him initiating it himself which is happening, in addition to Wlad abusing it more than he even usually does and the referee being complicit even more than all of them usually are. There is also something to do with head control here, where most tall fighters get a guy diving under their guard this way are not going to just allow them to bring their head up on them offensively if they should try or do it incidentally. It's a little like wrestling. Someone gives you their back, take it. If you're both on your feet and one guy is bent down in front of you, showing his back, the ref has two things here: One, don't allow the tall fighter to drape their body weight on the bent fighter's back- it's dangerous, dirty, and not boxing, and two, tell that bent fighter to stop bending at the waist in front of the tall guy and diving in that way. That is also going to make this happen. Povetkin in no way helped himself, like you have to do in your career sometimes, when things are not fair. I give him 20% blame, as he's not a straight victim here. He has some accounting for how this played out.

In short: It was a mess, Wlad deserved to be told he WOULD BE DQ'd, if he continued. But not DQ'd without more warning and additional point deduction, and much, much earlier, where he had to worry both about DQ and just losing on points from deductions. Both fighters should've been cautioned to alter course to prevent this, but the referee is bumfluff.
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