Did Wlad duck Valuev or Chisora?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Dec 13, 2023.


Who had the best chance?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2023.
  1. 2006 Toney (U.S.)

    33.3%
  2. 2006 Maskaev (U.S.)

    33.3%
  3. 2007 Valuev (Germany)

    33.3%
  4. 2010 Chisora (Germany)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. 2012 Arreola (U.S.)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. 2013 Helenius (Germany)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Valuev was never publicly offered a fight with Wlad and turned down Vitali at age 36 with 53 pro fights (post-Haye, which was Valuev’s last fight), alleging unfair contractual obligations (apparently potentially four fights in total with the Klitschkos if he kept winning) and a “lowball” offer.

    "Valuev wants it and I want it, but you can imagine how hard it is to deal with Don King." - Wlad

    In May 2006, K2’s manager Bernd Boente poured cold water on the idea of a unification between Wlad and the undefeated Valuev despite it being highly lucrative, an intriguing fight (due to the massive size difference of 6 inches in height, 80 lbs in weight, plus the nationality clash) and one Wlad would have been heavily favoured by the bookmakers to win, on the basis that “It’s not a big fight outside Germany” (where most of their fights were being held), “Valuev didn’t really beat Donald and Ruiz” (so? comprehensively outbox or KO the giant then, if it's so easy) and “He’s not interesting or exciting to watch” (he's the biggest HW titlist in history and a unique stylistic matchup/at worst it's the same as usual for a K2 challenger).

    The most similar fighter to Valuev that Wlad ever fought was the extremely durable, slightly bigger Wach (2 inches taller, 4 lbs heavier) who went the 12 round distance, never hit the canvas and landed more punches on Wlad than Povetkin did according to Compubox, visibly stunning Wlad at the end of the 5th round.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/why-the-klitschkos-especially-wlad-avoided-valuev.283443/

    Chisora was pulled out on twice by Wlad, fought Vitali in 2012 (giving him his toughest fight since Lewis) and Wlad never offered Chisora a fight again.

    I suspect that Wlad didn't fight 14-0 Chisora in 2010/2011 for two reasons:

    1. Steward claimed that Chisora was more dangerous than the average Wlad opponent on account of his confidence, determination, youth, mass, workrate, potential durability and wild, aggressive style (similar to 2005 Peter and 2004 Brewster)

    2. Wlad would have probably looked limited in another boring, illegal victory (coming off the prolonged grapplefest that was Peter 2) against an unknown, inexperienced opponent and 6/1 underdog, with wrestling on the level of Klitschko-Peter or even Klitschko-Povetkin and there being a good chance of the fight going the distance, or even Chisora being disqualified due to responding to Wlad’s fouls by biting him (Chisora already had the reputation of being a nutcase and a criminal), turning the event into a farce

    Post-Vitali there were two additional reasons:

    3. Wlad likely didn't want to give Chisora another K2 shot or payday given that he slapped Vitali and spat water in Wlad's face just before the Vitali fight

    4. Chisora was stopped in 5 rounds by Wlad-victim Haye in July (his third consecutive defeat and forth overall), reducing his value as an opponent
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2024