Did Wladimir Klitschko actually fought the best opposition available?

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  1. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member banned Full Member

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    I've always wondered why he didn't fought the big tough bangers who were at the height of their careers back then. Guys like Arreola, Stiverne, Chisora and a few others. Instead he was fighting guys like Pianeta and Leapai. In fact, when we dissect Wlad's resume after the early losses - he straight up avoided guys with any power whatsoever. The only time he fought bangers was when he was forced to in order to make big money - Haye, Povetkin and Joshua, and then there's also the Sam Peter fight in 2005 in which he was extremely cautious. The Povetkin fight was a farce and Haye fight boring as heck with neither side landing virtually nothing of note. Was he worried his glass chin might get shattered again?
     
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  2. Safin

    Safin Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He fought old, short or blown up cruiserweights almost exclusively for 10 years. People were bored to death at the time, but now this forum lauds him as an unbeatable legend in his prime because it helps them further their present bias-driven agendas.

    The fact is that he was sparked out by 3 mediocre opponents and then got schooled by Fury and then lost to Joshua (albeit in a life and death bout where he probably came away looking better than Joshua despite the loss). He was a control freak egomaniac that needed to have strange contractual clauses and have everything his own way. Very carefully managed.
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We might easily dissect also Fury, A.J and Wilder's resume in depth.:D

    While Wlad haters are creating threads about how avoiding and bad Wlad was and how bad era Klit brothers era was, modern boxers with pleasure had fought boxers previously beaten by Vitali or Wlad.

    The best example is the same Pulev.
    Wlad had fought 33 y.o Pulev when he was 38 years old and Pulev then had 20-0-0 undefeated record, he also didn't had weight lesser than Wlad. Anyone might check this by using google and read up resources like ring tv, espn, other notable during long years established reputable in western world sources.
    Last fight Pulev, now being 39 y.o had with A.J for IBF World title.
    So definitely Klit brothers era " was bad era for western fans " while IBF elected as mandatory for A.J to fight with the same Pulev previously beaten up by Wlad.

    We might continue also with the same Povetkin, when he was over the hill and aging, he appeared enough good for A.J to fight with and later, being 41 years 6 months old:( was considered enough good to sell us his fight vs Whyte.

    Then we might continue next proof how " bad " Klit era was: Chisora had lost fight with almost 1 handed then 40 years old Vitali.
    Later appeared that he is enough good to have 2 fights vs Whyte, 2 fights vs Fury, fight vs Haye, fight vs A.J and last greatness was fight vs Usyk.
    Now we will have to see Chisora vs Parker. :nonono

    While I agree, Povetkin in his prime was avoided boxer. Huck had balls to fight with him and looks that both get a lot of benefits for their future earnings after this great fight. Really my respect to Huck for taking this fight vs Povetkin's version with good legs.
    Wlad for sure might made big money from fight vs Povetkin, this is truth. Pov then at least was 34 years old with good legs.

    I think Wlad had the same thing as a lot other EE boxers: they had continued to fight when they were over the hill.
    Btw I assume that Pulev fight too wasn't cos financial reasons.
    Wlad's net worth then was with xxx xxx xxx digits and looks that old fighter just still had intent not to hang gloves up.
    I then had opinion that he should vacate belts and retire not to fight vs Pulev.
    Fury and later this A.J fight too most likely he didn't had properly understood that he is now too old for big sport.
    Before Fury fight he already had looked a bit lethargic before fight had started.
     
  4. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    The division is just without big names in the past 15 years or so. Everyone is dodging and ducking good quality boxers and it is all about the money and the perfect record nowadays.
     
  5. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    Klitschko fought whoever was available. Can't really think of many names that were classy enough to win against him during his reign.
     
  6. kim_jong_un

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    In the period between Haye and Povetkin fights, he had 4 fights. Those were against Mormeck, Tony Thompson (rematch, he had brutalized him already 4 years earlier), Wach and Pianeta. That was 2012-2013. 2013 Ring Magazine heavyweight top 10 had in it Arreola, Stiverne and Helenius - three big bangers. 2012 one didn't have Stiverne. None of those four guys Wlad actually fought were in it, not in 2012, not in 2013. Heck, they've never been in the ring top10, maybe Thompson has been at some point earlier in his career. So why the heck was he fighting those scrubs instead of the guys I mentioned?

    When we look at other periods, then there were highly ranked big bangers available for him to fight as well. He never did. He defended his title against light hitting scrubs. And in three out of the four biggest fights he had in his career - Povetkin, Haye, Fury - he didn't look impressive. Wrestled with Povetkin, didn't throw anything against Haye, got clowned by Fury. Only looked good against Joshua. It remains to be seen whether that was because Joshua is not as good as advertised.
     
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  7. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thompson before fight vs Wlad did not had been called as scrub. He had been called as not smaller than Wlad and guy who now will expose and brutalize Wlad. After fight, yeah, he appeared to be a bum, crub and bad boxer for a lot of fans for their posts in forums, news portals comments etc kind of entertainment places.

    Casual logic for a lot of western fans. Cool, no offense there, this is normal.
    Most unskilled folk in the world are boxing fans. Therefore they will yell with pride after fights like Clenelo vs Khan or Kovalev and yeah, Clenelo is so cool cherry pick piece of Nevada champ.
    Dumbasses buy all this greatness Clenelo provides with his cherry picking cos they are just stupid as hell dumbasses.
     
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  8. kim_jong_un

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    Can you stick to the topic for once and not bring in your psychological complexes? As for the topic, no, Tony Thompson wasn't highly regarded by anyone after the first fight with Wlad. I'm talking about the rematch here.
     
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  9. Surrix

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    I think you do have deep psychological complexes about Wlad. Yes, you do have them.
    Key word there is " after the first fight with Wlad ". Casual western fans approach, lad had lost = he was bum and weak era.

    The same Watch before fight vs Wlad had been with undefeated record and he had reach and height advantage vs Wlad and also he had a bit more weight too and was younger than Wlad.
    This doesn't matters for you because you have these mentioned by you psychological complexes and are lying here and hiding these your complexes by accusing others that they does have them.
    Classic manipulation attempt my kid. You are small kid for me get this before you attempt to manipulate or bite me there, I will steam roll you with the same NLP and psychology till you will cry. I had warned you, my small kid.
     
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  10. Safin

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    Every time I see a Surrix post I hit cmd+f and search "western"...

    The guy has an unshakable inferiority complex and obsession.
     
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  11. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He fought these big punchers when they were young enough:
    Peter
    Sanders
    Brewster
    Haye
    Chagaev
    Povetkin
    Joshua

    And got KD'd or KO'd by a number of them.

    He fought others out of their prime, but not necessarily by design.

    Chisora was booked but the fight was delayed then Vitali fought him and Chisora spat at Wlad so he probably didn't want to give him a shot. But Chisora wasn't a big puncher back then before Haye-roid training. Stiverne wasn't a contender at that stage, he was booked to fight Vitali eventually but hadn't really fought anyone even by then.

    I don't think Wlad avoided big punchers, but he did use an excruciating style after a while and the Povetkin fight was the summit of that abomination.
     
  12. SmackDaBum

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    Lewis resume is just as bad.

    No Sanders.
    No Ibeabuchi.
    No prime Tyson.
    No Bowe.
    No Wlad.

    His only legit win is against Vitali Klitschko. And he won that one barely because of his effective Jab against vitalis horrible no guard lean back style with open eyebrow ridge taget.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Povetkin, Byrd, Chagaev, Pulev, Chambers, Ibragimov and Haye are probaly his best wins.
     
  14. Boxing2019

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    The lack of opponents not at his height is compensated by the fact that his reign has been one of the most enduring.
    His straight hand is top five ever imo and
    I rank him between the best 10/15 HWs ever.
     
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  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    100% he is another manufactured boxing fraud just like Canelo and Mayweather....at least he didn't lower himself to Canelo standards and fix fights (shameful blatant Kovalev fix)
     
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