Did Wladimir Klitschko prove Alexander Povetkin is not a CREDIBLE / REAL / NATURAL heavyweight?

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Did Wladimir Klitschko prove / expose Alexander Povetkin as a fake heavyweight?

  1. Yes, Wlad exposed Povetkin to be a natural sub-heavyweight (cruiser weight / light heavyweight)

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  2. No

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Pov is the same size as Brewster.

    Wlad wasn't allowed cheat in that fight. Thats why Brewster was able to destroy him.

    Pov gets to Wlads chin at some point to take him out with a real ref who allows inside combat and forbids Wlad to fight like a circus bear.
     
    dinovelvet, May 31, 2018
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  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And for Joshua, Fury, Vladyslav Sirenko, Dominic Brezeale, Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev and etc. All whom are also roughly the same size as Wlad or even bigger. Since that's the case, Povetkin is also too small / weak for them too. And since that's the case, shouldn't that mean he is simply too small for the entire division since nearly half the guys in the modern heavyweight division or more are too big for him, just like how Wlad was?
     
    Luis Fernando, May 31, 2018
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  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ergo, shouldn't that prove Povetkin is therefore not a REAL heavyweight because Wlad was able to use a tactic 100% effectively against him but not at all against Joshua and Fury?
     
    Luis Fernando, May 31, 2018
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  4. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    No, I don't think so. Povetkin would beat Pulev, Breazeale and most likely Miller. I give him (or would have a couple of years ago) a decent shot of beating AJ as well. It's not specifically Wlad's size, it was how he used it.
     
    PaddyGarcia, May 31, 2018
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  5. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin is practically a fat pudding that is practically obese by athlete standards. He carries over 30 pounds of non-functional weight.

    Look at the ASTRONOMICAL difference between real HEAVYWEIGHTS like Joshua in terms of physique and Povetkin and then try to tell me if they even belong in the same weight division together. It's an ASTRONOMICALLY dangerous mismatch to put an athletic specimen like Joshua with mostly functional weight and muscles over 240+ pounds against an obese 'heavyweight' who carries mainly non-functional weight such as flab and chubbiness.

    Not only is he short, but he also simply isn't physically strong enough for the modern heavyweight division because he simply isn't NATURALLY big (excluding non-functional weight like fat). I've always defended Povetkin in the PED case. But maybe he actually did take PEDs. And maybe that was the only reason why he was able to be as good as he was because naturally, he wasn't big or strong enough and needed artificial boosts. And without the artificial boost, he is arguably just a natural light heavyweight or cruiser weight.

    What do you mean by coincidence in terms of questioning Povetin?

    Wlad is a polished machine. Yet, how well did that machine serve him against a real heavyweight like Joshua who he lost to? Yet, you claim Joshua isn't a polished machine when Joshua was the one to beat Wlad?
     
    Luis Fernando, May 31, 2018
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  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree! I don't think Povetkin has any chance at beating those guys. Especially Miller, Brezeale and Joshua. It was Wlad's physical strength Povetkin couldn't handle or overcome. The same will be the case against any elite super heavyweight and not super heavyweights that are bums / journeymen. Just like how Golovkin could beat bum or journeymen light heavyweights but not elite light heavyweights like Kovalev and Beterbiev.
     
    Luis Fernando, May 31, 2018
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  7. Chuck Norris

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    The only thing Wlad proved against Povetkin, is that he can fight like a extreme coward.
     
    Chuck Norris, May 31, 2018
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  8. AJfan

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    The only thing Povetkin wasn't ready for was illegal holding, leaning, pushing and rabbit punching. What Wlad did that night, as with so many other nights, was not boxing. It was a terrible "fight" in which he fouled his way to a terrible win. Stop trying to glorify it.

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    AJfan, May 31, 2018
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  9. Cafe

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    Well Povetkin was in an awful shape and he seemed just disinterested at that point. He nearly lost to Marco Huck in a very ugly, shitty fight not long before, that says it all.

    After Wlad fight, Povetkin came back a different animal, first time in his career looking actually in good shape and not fat, somehow managed to gain real KO power as well, he used to hit hard before as well sometimes but not to that level. Even changed his style.

    So yeah, the Povetkin that Wlad fought for me was Povetkin at maybe 50%.
     
    Cafe, May 31, 2018
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  10. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Also Wlad fought very dirty as well from what I remember, prevented Povetkin from really doing anything.
     
    Cafe, May 31, 2018
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  11. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis was holding Mike Tyson EXACTLY the same way. Lennox caused almost 90 clinches in less than 8 rounds. Is it wrong? Yes, but if referee allows it, it's not forbidden.
     
    Big Ukrainian, May 31, 2018
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  12. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Potvekin used very poor footwork and bum rushed Wlad headfirst which in turn initiated many of those clinches.
     
    MrFoFody, May 31, 2018
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  13. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Teddy Atlas knew Povetkin was not ready for Klitschsko. He should have listened to him. Deontay and the bomb squad knew too.
     
    chico g, May 31, 2018
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  14. AJfan

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    Wrong. It is completely 100% entirely forbidden by the rules of the sport. If the the referee allows it they are not doing their job.

    You have every right to respect and appreciate Wlad, but you have no right to post apologist nonsense regarding his illegal tactics. He consistently cheated during his long championship reign. That is an irrefutable fact. If Lennox Lewis cheated also that does not decrease the level of Wlad's cheating.
     
    AJfan, May 31, 2018
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  15. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did Ali prove that Foreman didn't have the power for the heavy weight division?
     
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