Did you think Jacobs could have had a point deducted for hitting after Dere went down?

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At first glance I thought Jacobs may have been close to getting DQ'd or have a point deducated in round 1 after he raced in and landed that extra punch on Derevyanchenko after Derevyanchenko went down then got right back up. It seemed like Jacobs was staring right at Derevyanchenko and saw him go down and that he got back up, but decided to come in and get in an extra punch anyway.

    Now you could use the same argument that RJJ used against Griffen, that Jacobs was in seek and destroy mode and didn't see him go down, only thought he might have dipped down, but I dunno I was kind of suprised the ref didn't even warn Jacobs for hitting after Derevyanchenko went down and got back up.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As you say, Jacobs didn't hit him when he was down, he swung at him when he was back up after going down. If Derevyanchenko stayed down Jacobs may have still thrown that punch, but that's not what happened. The foul in boxing is hitting your opponent when he's down, not throwing a punch after the guy's down. Jacobs didn't hit Derevyanchenko when he was on the canvas. This wasn't like Andrade clearly hitting Kautondokwa when he was down, Mattias on the wbss undercad, or Jones-Griffin.

    Even if Jacobs intention might have resulted in a foul, the foul wasn't actually committed, so there's no argument that a point should be taken.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dunno man, Derevyanchenko clearly had both gloves on the canvas, Jacobs saw that and decided to race in knowing a knockdown had occurred. The ref has his arm wrapped around Jacobs waist as Jacobs is loading up with a big right hand. The ref literally tackled Jacobs and threw him into the corner. (if the ref didn't push him away that big right hand may have landed hard) I get what you're saying that he was back up when he threw the punch but that definitely had the look of an intentional foul. There's no question in my mind Jacobs saw that both gloves touched the canvas, Jacobs knew it was a knockdown. Then he goes in anyway and throws a big punch even while the ref is literally pushing him away.
     
  4. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not as bad as Andrade, Kautondokwa tripped over his legs and whilst he had both hands on the mat Andrade landed a hook he had to step into and was seconds after the trip. Scored a KD.

    It happens where the reaction time is off but sometimes it's too long after and should be a docked point or DQ.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    The 5 minute rule could have been applied.
     
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  6. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This has been a serious problem in boxing for quite a while. It started with this nonsense of standing over your fallen opponent, taunting them, and threatening to punch. This is so common now that announcers don't even mention it and ref's rarely admonish fighters for doing it. This has transitioned into the illegal blows and they too are commonplace. So much that the borderline of crossing that line is now obscure.

    Refereeing in this sport is at best mediocre. At worst dangerous and atrocious.
     
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  7. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Golovkin did the same thing to Lemmy. I think it's a heat of the moment type thing.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    So if you make a guy's gloves brush the canvas, and he rises up to fight again and there isn't a break, you have to stand there and let him hit you?

    Jacobs won without convtroversy.
     
  9. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tbf to Jacobs in this fight Derevyanchenkos had got up before the ref stepped in and Jacobs wasn't looking to see what the ref was doing so it was more a case of Jacobs being in the zone and not purposefully looking to land an illegal blow, Derevyanchenkos had hit him on the break earlier as well but I think the referee was fine to let it go on, Jacobs didn't land or do any extra damage, its just heat of the moment stuff with no bad intentions (well illegal ones).

    Same with Golovkin v Lemieux, Pacquiao v Marquez etc but if the fighter looks damaged of the punch he should be given five minutes.

    Andrade v Kautondokwa should have been a five minute break and the KD ruled against as the KD was scored after Kautondokwa had hit the canvas for a slip and it was an extremely late and dangerous late punch, Kautondokwa wasn't in a place where he could defend himself and Andrade was about three seconds after the slip.
     
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Look at the video. Go to 1.45 min and judge this one
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  11. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    should of been a no contest...
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn't though but do agree that, that may have been fair
     
  13. Inside pass

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    That should of been a warning only, but if he ko's sergey it should be a DQ.
    Tszyu v mass was similar but tszyu broke his jaw with the late punch.
    I think that may have been changed to a no contest.
     
  14. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shoulda been but ref was pretty hands off for most part. He let them fight so i dont know..
     
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was crazy, dude got countered and KTFO trying to hit after his opponent's gloves touched. But Technically the KO shouldn't have counted as he should have been getting a standing 8 count at the point where the KO occurred lmao.