Didn't Winky prove he was better p4p than Hopkins?

Not all time, of course, but currently.

He did, after all, move up and face Hopkins at a weight that was more comfortable for Bernard, and fought with a reduced workrate and speed than he had at 154-160.

I'm interested in particular of the opinion of those that had Hopkins winning 115-113, which was I suppose, probably the most common score for the fight.

I actually had the fight scored a draw, so you know my answer to this question.

 

I give Winky all the credit in the world..I mean if he had got the Nod Winky would have been # 1 in my book ..

 

I scored it 116-112, really wasn't hard to score, Hopkins normally was landing the harder blows and he sealed the last two rounds definitively.

Pretty clear for me. But Winky still deserves a mention in the P4P rankings.

 

This is a very valid topic and I pretty much agree.

For me, this is similar to Shane fighting Winky.

Winky is a solid weight class above Shane and they had a close rematch.

 

Bernard was throwing the harder blows, but I felt Winky was the one landing more cleanly, hence my closer score.

Having the fight 116-112 as you do, I suppose there's no question in your mind Bernard is the better fighter p4p at the minute.

 

I mean no disrespect at all SS, but I feel you're giving Winky too much levarage in scoring some of his more ineffective, even if cleaner shots, thus giving him rounds. Both you and I are Wright fans, so that's understandable.

I put Bernard at #3 with this win, Winky drops out of the top 5. Wright's really suited for 160, at 168 he'd have no success even against an Anthony Mundine level, much less Kess or Calz.

Shame Wright wasn't fairly given his win over Jermain Taylor, it would have put Hopkins' win into better context in the books...

 

True you could make that argument, though I'm not sure if it was so much the weight as it was a styles matchup thing which made Shane lose those matches (had Wink by three points in the rematch). Perhaps if Winky didn't have the reach and Winky was a bit shorter and not as strong Shane could have taken it.... Interesting.

 

116 - 112 easy

no way 115-113

anyways Winky weighed in at 170 same as Hopkins and in my mind the weigh-in weight is the weight that matters

 

Perhaps, but were Bernard's punches really that effective? Neither guy was that effective imo. It's not as if Hop was laying a world of hurt on Winky. I felt both guys struggled greatly to land anything meaningful on each other. Hence, I think a draw was justified.

I know I'm in the minority there, but that's the way I see it.

 

Hopkins, even though competing at this level, is showing his age this time around...

That's why I see a crazy wide Calzaghe UD win if that fight happens.

 

Assuming Joe doesn't start showing age himself, I'd agree, he should win quite clearly.

 

bernard won the fight close but he still won .

 

both may not have been effective in hurting each other but still Nard showed better performance and deserved the win.

 

Here's what I don't get about people's reactions to the fight though.

If it was such a predictable outcome, then why didn't the people now ranking Bernard ahead of Winky do so before this fight was even announced? If 10 out of 10 times it's a foregone conclusion that 'they're both extremely skilled but Bernard's just too big', why even bother having the charade play out? (that was actually my take on the fight before it happened, although part of me hoped that Winky could shock us).

It's like saying, 'Rafael Marquez is p4p better than Ricky Hatton, although if they fought he'd obviously lose', but then turning around and ranking Hatton above him if they actually fought at a catchweight and Marquez lost. Seems a little disingenous. Seems the effect of cold hard black-and-white results on a fighter's value or rank should be cushioned a bit in situations like this. Otherwise there is nothing separating the human element of analysis we are gifted with, from boxrec's point system. Someone in this thread earlier said 'IF winky had gotten the nod he'd be my #1 p4p' - meaning that his view on who is the legitimate best fighter in the world today literally hinged on the decision of three judges?

:conf Just seems really screwed up to me.

 

I can understand your point but . . . nah nah nah . . . didn't Bhops also moved up in weight to fight Tarver in a weight more comfortable to Tarver and beat him there? Infact he didn't simply beat Tarver he humilated him and make him look like an amateur. Now on Winky, yes he went up in weight but loss, so Bhops should still be inching him in the p4p standing.