Dillain Whyte article from Steve Bunce about being stitched up.

Yes we willhave to agree to disagree, I disagree with your diminishment of Whyte's value when the evidence and statistics are as clear as day.

I disagree he has been mismanaged, rather he is sticking it to the system and breaking the trend of rolling over like a dog. And many others respect him actually, even if it is the minority, for standing for what he's worth.

I hope the lyrics from Wiley's song "Can't go wrong" - resonate with you.

I used to go and get what I'm given
Now I go and get what I'm worth
Still going strong cause I gotta believe

 

Like I said, you're only worth what someone is prepared to pay.

End of.

 

Whyte out priced himself - he could had got more than £4m possibly £6m - £7m but he wanted £10m lol. Good luck with that. Now he will be lucky to get £1m fight. Maybe he is hoping for a Fury or Wilder chance? Personally I cant see the Whyte v AJ appeal they already fought.

 

Erm I think 30 per cent of a 30 million pot is very fair or there abouts. And his main issue was the rematch clause actually. Why should he give lions share if he wins the first fight?

It's all bull****, anyways he continues to win, I back him to beat Povetkin, Ortiz... even a chance to upset AJ and Wilder. I look forward to your predictions when those fights happen eventually.

 

I think Whyte knows exactly how much three belts are worth.

And he knows that if he won three belts off Joshua, then he should NOT have to take LESS than his challenger when he (Whyte) made his first defense of those three belts.

The days of taking the short money to win a title, because you'll clean up as champ doesn't work when guys like Eddie Hearn lock you in to a lower pre-determined cut for the rematch.

You can't sell yourself to the highest bidding promoter if you win the three belts. You can't even demand the larger share of the purse than your challenger is getting for your first defense, because you signed away your rights just to get the shot.

Rematch clauses are one thing. Locking a defending champ until a smaller share of the purse for his first defense (if he happens to score an upset) ... makes ZERO sense if you were advising Whyte.

 

It makes even less sense for Joshua/Hearn. Sorry, but Whyte is in no position to make any demands on the champ. Why would they surrender any terms for a voluntary defence? Joshua took the short end to fight Martin. He backed himself and it paid dividends.

Whyte chose not to back himself and walked away. Fair enough, but he should accept the consequences of that decision. Pissing and moaning about it isn't going to change anything. Time till tell if it was the right decision or not.

 

Joshua (as challenger) didn't agree to a rematch clause to fight Martin AGAIN if he (Joshua) won ... AND Joshua didn't agree to take the short end of the purse in his first defense against Martin and give Charles the lion's share in two back-to-back fights, did he?

No. Of course not.

That's what they want Whyte to do. They want him to take less than market value for TWO TITLE FIGHTS that would BOTH be huge in the UK.

 

That's down to Charles Martin. If he wanted a rematch clause, he should have negotiated it! The fact is, Hearn paid him so much he didn't bother. He cashed out basically. You can say that's either stupid of Martin or smart by Hearn. Perhaps he actually believed he would win, unlike Whyte.

What market value are you talking about? There is no "market value" for a voluntary defence. You're only worth what someone is prepared to pay - a basic tenet of economics. Hearn wasn't prepared to pay, so Whyte walked away, losing a priceless opportunity in the process.

 

You're all over the place.

Whyte thinks he'll win. That's why he doesn't want to get robbed when he's the defending champ and make less than his challenger is making.

 

Exactly.

 

He was offered a 50/50 rematch. That's extremely lucrative in anyone's book. If he wins that, he can dictate what terms he likes. What's so difficult to understand about that?

 

Yeah but come off the "Joshua backed himself against Martin" nonsense... you are being intellectually dishonest. We all knew how weak a champion Martin was... just go back and watch how he got gifted the belt.

If the current champion was Lucas Browne Whyte would have taken the fight immediately and "backed himself" the way you put it. But its not... its Anthony Joshua and he a very strong opponent.

Don't act like Joshua took some life defining risk and it paid off...

Jeez Louise

 

Except it does make sense, when compared to the alternative options.

If Whyte beats AJ then it's a rather obvious point that the vast majority of the worldwide interest that will be generated in the rematch will be focused on AJ, the fallen superstar desperate to reclaim his titles. That fight will be huge, not because of Whyte but because of AJ. So Hearn is saying that he wants to retain a large share (I think in negotiation they may have gone to 50/50 but not certain) of the the rematch revenue. This is sensible because if Whyte wins that one too AJ may never fight again.

So sure, from the outside that may seem unfair, but there's a commercial rationale for it, AJ's current superstar status and what's more there's the salient point that 100% of nothing is less than 45 (or whatever) of a massive pot. The same line that was given to Wilder applies here. Beat the guy twice, make 40m or whatever and then you're in full control with stellar prospects ahead. Whyte chose not to go for it which is his right. That doesn't make it a bad deal, particularly if he backs himself to beat the champ twice in a row.

 

Why did Dillian have to negotiate a rematch clause down to 50/50 in the first place????? Shows who was commited to getting the fight signed. AJ KNEW Dillian wouldnt like it.

When Dillian fought Chisora rematch he said "look bruv if I lose you can reverse the split on me"... and guess whos idea that was? Hearns!!!! Funny hearn didnt wanna use his own methodology for his protected fighter AJ in negotiating with Dillian.

Oh and another thing to show how dishonest AJ is... in an interview when asked about the negotiation drama AJ said '' well I cant just give fights away for free... I gotta make a penny too"

WTF??? "Make a penny too"

How the **** are you not making a penny if you take home 75 per cent which is over 22 million

****ing helll!!!!!!! I got video proof.

You should be a promoter Gymbot you chat so much ****