Dillain Whyte vs Luis Ortiz

Whyte has a few problems, Povetkin has put the rematch back again and there are rumours he is thinking about retiring.

So after the Povetkin loss, Whyte isn't WBC mandatory any longer, he needed to reverse that result to have a claim at being mandatory again (assuming the WBC agreed).

So Whyte can't sit around and wait for Povetkin to make a decision, he wants to get himself back in a position for a world title shot.

So Whyte needs an opponent that puts him back on top of those rankings.. As it stands Whyte is ranked 6th by the WBC, he has above him

5 Joyce
4 Ruiz Jr
3 ORTIZ
2 Usyk
1 Wilder

This is the only reason this potential fight with Ortiz is being talked about, Hearn will want to make it an eliminator, Hearn will want Whyte fighting old man Ortiz instead of Ruiz Jr or Wilder.

Usyk is going WBO route, Joyce could be the man to fight Usyk if AJ vacates, so count those two out, so that leaves Wilder, Ruiz Jr and Ortiz.

This isn't Hearn and Whyte taking a risk, a huge gamble, it's Hearn and Whyte taking the path of least resistance.

But the problem is the WBC might not want Ortiz in line again, they might say it has to go from number 1 and downwards, so Wilder might get the call and if he doesn't want to return yet then Ruiz will get the call and so on.

If that happens, Hearn and Whyte will sit that one out and make Chisora III, a PPV fight on Sky.

Hearn will not want to work with Wilder and give him a payday, Hearn knows Ruiz would fill Whyte in, so although this is being thrown around prepare yourselves for Whyte Vs Chisora III.

 

He was cleared of wrongdoing by the organisation that initially covered it up. That's the least legitimate exoneration I've ever heard of.

 

You too

But is Whyte smart enough to remember what happened the last time he fought a 40 something?

 

Very thorough analysis.
Although both Chisora fights were very competitive, I don't like a third fight unless the first two were split. Agree that Eddie/Dillian are taking the easy way out targeting Ortiz. I don't care for that match up. I know Hearn doesn't want to deal with Wilder. However Whyte has been ragging on Wilder for some time, calling him a coward and accusing him of ducking. Lowball Wilder, who has few options, and see if he accepts. Ruiz would be another good fight, but don't lowball Andy if they want a fight w/him.

 

I've always liked King Kong. I don't think there is anything Whyte does better plus I think Ortiz has a better chin. I'll take King Kong by KO midway.

 

Whyte v Chisora 3 is a decent fight. That's Whyte's level. A good UK domestic rivalry. Can't complain about that one.
It only becomes a "poor match up" when peoople mistake Whyte for a truly world class fighter. He's not.

If he wants to be regarded as a top world class fighter he can start by giving Parker a rematch.
Parker's "class" has fallen into similarly doubt too, over the last four years ..... but it would be a great fight for both of them to establish themselves.

 

Whyte vs Ortiz is a fascinating fight, both guys have a lot of question marks hanging over them and they both need to demonstrate that they still belong in the HW top 10. Ortiz IMO picks Whyte off with sharp counters and gets a decision or late TKO but if Whyte can find the range his younger legs and power could tell in the second half of the fight against the aging Ortiz.

 

I agree, I don't want to see a third Chisora fight, the first fight was controversial, many thought Chisora won, I did, but the second was ended definitively, a brutal KO ended any debate.

The only reason to make a third fight is money, it does nothing for Whyte in terms of ranking and getting back in to a mandatory position.

Wilder is going to court/arbitration with Fury so he won't take the fight right now, and I don't think Hearn will give him a chance to get back in.

I think you raise a point that is most likely to happen, they will offer Ruiz poor money even though they will make it a PPV fight and hope he won't take it.

But I think Ruiz will take it, especially if it's an eliminator, so it all depends on what the WBC do, if they allow Hearn and Whyte to start picking opponents for an eliminator.

The WBC might tell them to wait until this Fury/Wilder situation is finished and then it will be Whyte Vs Chisora.


But as it stands Povetkin has basically wrecked Hearns and Whytes plans.

 

Yeah, it is about his level. Whyte isn't world class, I think it's quite clear to see.

But Hearn wanted Whyte in a mandatory position to use as some sort of leverage and have another roll of the dice if it all goes sideways with Fury Vs AJ.

 

Ortiz gets knocked out late.

Who has Ortiz beaten in recent years to prove he has the beating of Whyte?

 

They are both myths, Ortiz hasn't beaten anybody worth beating and Whyte isn't as good as people think he is.

 

Can't ****ing wait for Whyte and Chisora 3... not.

 

I've been thinking about this match up for a while now and I hate to say it but I think Ortiz beats him if it happens any time soon. Whyte simply makes too many mistakes and at some point he'll likely eat a big counter much like he did vs Povetkin.

I wouldn't completely rule out Whyte's chances though. Guys that press Whyte and expose his lack of movement give him problems and Ortiz is a plodder too and will just stand off and wait for that counter so I could see Whyte out boxing Ortiz with his work rate as Ortiz only has one gear. If Whyte can avoid eating a fight ending counter and take the fight late he might simply gas out Ortiz and then KO him.

But I see the most likely outcome to be Whyte getting stopped inside 6 rounds while in a fight he may every well be winning or at least being very competitive in. Ortiz is better defensively and Whyte just eats too many shots even when he is winning as he has almost no head movement.

 

Doesn't Dillian need to fight someone south of 40? Just asking. I'd rather see Whyte Chisora 3 than Whyte vs. Ortiz.

What I've seen discussed and what I agree would make sense is Whyte vs. Ruiz, Wilder, or Parker 2.

The rest is rubbish as the Brits like to say.

 

If Whyte had a bit more consistency I'd pick him unreservedly. As it is I still pick him but with the caveat that he sticks to his gameplan and doesn't let his brawling instincts get the better of him.

Ortiz is slow and plodding but he still packs a decent straight left that he knows how to land, and he'll probably catch Whyte a few times with it (probably to the body) while Whyte is backing up with his gloves up. But he has a tendency to paw too much with the jab in order to measure up his power shots rather than use the jab as an actual weapon and I think it's that weakness that will allow Whyte to beat him. I can see Whyte's heavy jab (coming in singles and doubles) coming over the top of Ortiz's guard and keeping him wary, allowing Whyte to take control of the tempo of the fight. I also see Whyte's sneakier than it looks right hand coming over the top and catching Ortiz at some point as well.

Provided Whyte doesn't go crazy with his wild swinging left hook I see the fight being a tough to and fro, with Whyte nicking the majority of the rounds with his pumping jab and slightly higher power connect ratio, while Ortiz lands one or two good shots but is mostly forced to stand off trading pawing rangefinders while looking for openings that never quite come for him.

Whyte by UD in a close but clear decision.