Dillan Whyte vs 1973 Ali

Ali shuts Whyte out over the distance. Simply on a different level.

 

Ali wins on points, Whyte is better than Wepner.

 

This is the Ali who trained for Norton II, remember that,for once he didn't talk much,just focused at the moment,that hate note and broken jaw lingering in his mind as well...
Unless Ali is in a good mood to not whoop him he would batter Whyte.

 

He did beat Bonavena and Wepner into a pulp as they're being arsepits.

 

Whyte athletic are you kidding me ? did you see him vs Fury ? he looked so slow he looked like he was punching under water. Whyte is barely better than Chisora who he just about beat in their 1st fight and in the 2nd fight he was behind on points for 11 rounds until he scored a KO from out of nowhere.

Ali would dance rings around Whyte just like Fury did.

 

The issue is Pat favours every single modern fighter against past fighters and doesn't take anything into account like how good they're or how they match up. He just bases everything on a fighter being bigger and then automatically picks them as the favourite that doesn't make any logical sense to me.

He's also calling Whyte athletic are you frigging kidding me ? Whyte is the furthest thing from what i would class as "athletic".

Tyson was athletic, Ali was athletic, Norton was athletic he was good at sports and did weight lifting. Whyte was overweight and quite a sloppy brawler nothing about him screams athletic and i'm baffled how anyone could class him as athletic.

 

As Joe Frazier said himself' Buster Mathis at 220 pounds was the best heavyweight in the world, but not as good at 230 pounds, at 240 pounds so so fighter. ' The problem with Buster Mathis is quit eating long enough long be a serious heavyweight contender.

 

If Whyte is athletic then I'm Usain Bolt.

 

Mr. M really needs to watch the fight. Muhammad could do whatever he wanted to.

 

Muhammad Ali can be as good a fighter as he ever was. The five fights he has had in the year or so since the end of his involuntary retirement have scoured away the rust of 3½ years of inactivity; against blubbery Buster Mathis last week in Houston's Astrodome, he moved with the old graceful speed afoot that is his trademark. He easily avoided the long punches Mathis whaled away with, leaning just far enough to escape them by inches. Both his left hand and his short right-hand chop were quick and accurate.


Yet the punches had no real sting, not because Ali has lost his power, but because he seems to have lost the desire to use it. He knocked Mathis down four times in the 11th and 12th rounds and he won by a unanimous decision, but he fought with compassion in a business that requires a measure of cruelty.

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In the 11th round Mathis was still forcing the fight, lumbering after Ali energetically enough. If he was tired, he didn't show it until late in the round, when Ali hit him with a short, chopping right on the side of the jaw and he dropped to his hands and knees, shaking the ring with the weight of his fall. He was on his feet again at the count of eight, legs rubbery and eyes glassy, and Ali hit him with a volley of punches, the last a right hand that landed on the top of Buster's head and drove him to the floor again. This combination was thrown almost reluctantly, none of the punches fired with the real power Ali possesses when he wants to use it. Certainly none of them was strong enough to deck Mathis had he been fresh. The bell saved Buster at the count of four this time and his cornermen dragged him back to his stool and labored over him. Later, Fariello admitted that he wanted to throw in the towel.

"I knew he couldn't defend himself," Fariello said. "He was tired and he was still dazed when the bell rang and I asked the referee to stop the fight if he saw Buster could not defend himself."

This was evident at the start of the 12th round. When Buster stood up, he staggered a couple of steps to his left before he caught himself and moved toward Ali. Ali reached out a long left and tapped Mathis rapidly on the forehead, like a man knocking on a door. Even these feathery punches made Buster's legs wobble, and when Muhammad hit him with a gentle right hand he went down again.


He struggled to his feet and Ali flicked him lightly with the left hand as he staggered around the ring and again hit him with the caressing right, and Buster was down. To his credit, the big man hauled himself up yet once more and tried to return to the attack while Ali patted him even more gently with the left and did not throw the right, although in Ali's corner Angelo Dundee, his trainer, was yelling, "Take him out, damn it, Ali! Take him out."

Later in the dressing room Ali defended his lack of a killer instinct. "I don't care about all them people yelling, 'Kill him!' " he said, his voice raspy and raucous when he imitated the fans. "I see the man in front of me, his eyes all glassy and his head rolling around [he walled his eyes and slumped in his chair and waggled his head drunkenly]. How do I know just how hard to hit him to knock him out and not hurt him? I don't care about looking good to the fans or to Angelo. I got to look good to God. I mean Allah."

He mopped his face with the towel and looked around at the writers.

"I got to sleep good at night," he said. "How am I goin' to sleep if I just killed a man in front of his wife and son just to satisfy you writers?"


GOT TO LOOK GOOD TO ALLAH - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

 

He has also demonstrated very little knowledge of Whyte of which the conversation is about.

 

Exactly, that was my main point. It wasn't about whether or not he knew how to actually teach technical aspects of boxing to a student, but rather being able to analyze the skills/resumes of different fighters and discuss matchups.

Like Dynamic Puncher said, he just automatically rolls with the more recent fighter, especially if they're bigger. By his own admission, he barely watched any footage of Whyte, but determined Whyte would be dangerous to Ali simply because he has a strong hook and weighs more than Frazier (who hurt Ali with his hook). He then figured Ali would have trouble with Whyte's size since Ali "went the distance" with the heavy Mathis without bothering to check the footage to see Ali had no trouble with Mathis and even dropped him multiple times.

 

Ali had a heart, a big one. If he let his hands go he could have seriously hurt Buster.

 

Well the greatest heavyweight on the planet who’s defeating the best of the modern day giants is 6’3” and weighs 215/220 pounds is fast and has a high ring IQ.
Ali beats any of them and certainly Whyte wouldn’t be the hardest test.

 

Funny, the hero worshipers don't like that I pointed out that Whyte is big and has a good left hook. If they just want to read comments from other hero worshipers, they should put me on "ignore." I don't read their posts, I only read posts from knowledgeable posters. The hero worshipers/jock sniffers reading comprehension must be equal to their knowledge of boxing, I didn't pick a winner between Ali - Whyte, but they whined anyway.

If you hadn't mentioned me in your post I would have never seen what the poster you replied to wrote. I ignore him/her. His/her posts are just over used platitudes. In addition he/she is rude. Thanks for the defense.