Dillian Whyte: Charles Martin is "a useless bum"

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  1. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Charles Martin 2.0 (since the Kownacki fight) wins.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think he has even that great a punchers chance. His KO record has been fabricated by opponents that make Dillian Whyte look like Oliver McCall.

    But even with Martin's power he can probably drop Whyte who definitely is chinny. But if guys like Chisora, Parker and Rivas can't stop him I doubt Martin can, even if he does drop him. Whyte might have a chin of fine porcelain but he has plenty of heart.
     
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  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    And now he has come out and said that it wasn´t the real him that night.
    I have no idea why he is suddenly talking such a big game again, maybe it´s because his career is going nowhere?

    Dude has had 5 wins in 5 years.
     
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  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bring back Big Baby Miller!!

    when does his suspension end?

    Have him face either one of these guys
    Winner takes on the loser of Deontay vs Fury.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How is Whyte a cut above? He got one shot KO'd by the moribund walking corpse of Povetkin who couldn't KO, Wach, Fury, Rudenko, Hunter or Hammer, whereas Martin got TKO'd by a prime, not yet shell-shocked by Wlad AJ, who was KOing everyone in sight.
     
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  6. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whyte is a sloppy fker but he would brutalise this complete and utter non entity.

    At least Whyte has given a good account of himself against B - to C/C+ level opposition (Parker, Rivas, Chisora, Helenius)
     
  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Whyte is right. I got him by KO.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well Whyte did last over 4 times as long as Martin did vs AJ and even wobbled AJ and went out on his shield, while Martin took 2 solid right hands and decided it was safer to stay on the canvas.

    So while Whyte may not be a cut above guys like Chisora and Parker he's probably a cut above Martin.

    As for Povetkin not KOing Wach, Fury, Rudenko, Hunter or Hammer, I assume you're trolling because 3 of them have never been stopped and the other are known to be durable, especially Wach who probably has the best chin in the division.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Martin wasn't KO'd cold, he just found himself unable to avoid getting caught flush by right hands on the button. Yet was clear headed but tried to ride the count, and got back up at 9 1/2, so he didn't even decide it was safer to stay on the canvas. Just because a Brit ref decides to be a Brit ref, that doesn't officially make him a quitter. Hell, Martin wasn't close to being as legit hurt as Whyte was in the first round against AJ. Also, Whyte benefited from rocking AJ, which made AJ a little more cautious than usual. Who knows how long Martin would've been able to last had he actually landed a shot and hurt AJ. But, he's a really open to rights southpaw, so we'll never know. Basically what I'm saying is. Styles make fights, with Martin's style being far easier to hit.

    Not saying Martin is some all time great, merely that Whyte is ****, with a most likely far shittier chin. Whyte has been hurt or dropped against almost every decent opponent he's shared the ring with. Whereas Martin has proved his toughness twice, taking flush shots from Washington, who brutally KO'd Helenius, and Kownacki, who isn't quite featherfisted.

    Now, would Whyte beat Martin? Possibly. But could Martin beat Whyte, possibly. There's not much to split them. But this thread is about glass jaws. In all likelihood, Martin might get up from getting dropped. Who knows what would happen with Whyte.

    No, I'm not trolling. Povetkin's power, the older he's gotten, and the worse his stamina has gotten, has clearly not been as evident as it was before he got caught doping and he was regularly legit one punch KOing guys who'd never been KTFO before that. I mean what? Wach rocked Fury to his core, yet Sasha couldn't? Ortiz and Price dropped Hammer, but Sasha couldn't? Hunter was out on his feet against Usyk, and probably should've lost by TKO, but Povetkin landing bombs on him, couldn't stop him? Clearly Alexander's power isn't what it used to be.

    Whyte's chin is ****, face it.
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    You seem to be arguing with yourself here. I never said Martin was KO'ed cold I said he quit and remained on the canvas which is quite frankly worse any serious adversity and he might very well quit again. Martin quit because he clearly could of gotten up sooner but didn't and let the ref complete a 10 count over him as he was rising. Maybe he timed it badly or maybe he timed it just right at the point where he he could say he timed it wrong. Either way he was never in the fight unlike Whyte and no amount of hypothetical scenarios alters that fact.

    Very likely Whyte has a worse chin I never claimed otherwise so again you seem to be arguing with yourself again.

    How can you say there not much to split them when Whyte's resume takes steaming dump on Martins. Martins best win was probably Washington. Compared to Parker, Chisora, Rivas, Helenius who beat a Kownacki who beat Martin, Christ even a shot to bits Povetkin is better than Washington.

    I can agree with your view that Whyte has a worse chin but can't see an argument that Martin based of Washington win and losing to Kownacki should be seen on the same level as Whyte. Yeah Martin might have a punchers chance but based on who both men have fought the likelihood is Whyte wipes the floor with Martin.
     
  11. BubblesUK

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    IMHO, regardless of the result of Fury-Wilder III , Fury will fight Joshua.

    If Fury wins, it's an undisputed bout and both will be up for it... But Wilder will either be even more mentally damaged than he already seems to be and retire, or he'd be avoiding the likes of Whyte and even Miller like the plague - Martin he might step in with, but that's about it.


    If Wilder wins, he'd go back to ducking the undisputed bout and get back to what he does best (knocking out lowly ranked fighters)... Which leaves Joshua needing to chase someone else, and Fury is an obvious one for legacy.
     
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  12. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, Joshua was transitioning from British level when he bought the belt from Martin.

    You also left out the part where Martin lost to Kownacki...
     
  13. Dodgy Syrup

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    This just in;

    Martin says no, it is Whyte who is, in fact, a "useless bum" and not him.

    Does this make them even, or is it meaningless rubbish?
     
  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yet Helenius was brutally KO'd by Washington, who was brutally KO'd by Martin and Kownacki, yet Whyte couldn't KO Helenius, but Duhaupas could, yet he couldn't KO Teper, but Helenius did. Meanwhile, Kownacki and Martin couldn't KO each other no matter how hard they tried. Boxing is crazy like that, isn't it?

    My point still remains, I was referring to chins, not skills. Maybe I should have been more specific. I've seen nothing to suggest based on the Kownacki match, that Martin's chin is anywhere near as awful as advertised, certainly probably on the same level as Whyte's. Although.... I doubt Whyte could've stood up to some of the flush bombs Kownacki was landing on him.

    Also, you left out, Martin was the guy that exposed Kownacki as beatable, to an extent, a few people had that fight a draw, and as most should remember correctly, Martin came on in a big way in the last 4 to 5 rounds and was lighting Kownacki up big time, especially in the 10th. It was a winnable fight for Martin, who it took him getting tagged clean for 5 rounds straight before realizing, hey wait.... my chin is much better than Washington's and Szpilka's, and I can win this! If he had that kind of confidence going in, who knows.
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I score that match a draw, as did several others, Martin finished far stronger than Kownacki. Put it this way, there's a reason why his stock rose after that match.