Dillian Whyte & Eddie Hearn Press Conference: Injury, Tyson Fury & More

Ortiz was better than Whyte, Parker and Chisora: he had a better win (6th ranked Jennings TKO7) he was undefeated (28-0, 24 KO's) he was a much higher level amateur than any of those guys, he was a southpaw and he didn't get gifts from the officials, unlike the many received by Whyte and Parker. He was top 5-6 Ring ranked for six consecutive years, Parker by contrast was in the top 6 for just one, Whyte for three. Wilder KO'd Ortiz twice, dominated 3rd ranked Stiverne 119-108, dominated and stopped the previously un-KO'd Euro level Duhaupas in 11 and KO'd former AJ opponent Breazeale with a single punch in the 1st round. All of these are good wins, better than any uncontroversial win on Whyte's resume.

If a fighter has a pattern of beating opponents in more dominant fashion than his rivals then it obviously suggests that he is better. That is an infinitely better barometer of ability than the rankings of the Matchroom PR team. In my opinion Whyte doesn't deserve anything but we will have to see what Fury and the WBC think.

 

So Wilder KOing euro level Duhaupas and Breazeale is better than Whytes uncontroversial KO win over Chisora and his uncontroversial win over Rivas ? Are you serious right now ? Genuine stupidity

 

Ortiz was never in his life been better than Whyte or Parker. He is on par with Chisora, maybe even lower, cause at least Chisora is a proven challenge for top fighters.
Ortiz was a 50 years old bum, who fought nobody outside of Jennings who is an absolutely average boxer, that best feat was to lose a decision to Klitschko, and just show how much past W.Klitschko his prime was, nothing else.
Outside of that Ortiz was a proven ducker, have health problems and fighting bum after bum, just like your fallen idol - Wilder.
Wilder is the biggest disgrace and hyped bum in the history of HW division.
The guy can't ***** take 1 heavy shots, before his legs start wobbling all over. He doesn't have legs at all. The moment you punch him hard, everything is gone, legs, balance, cardio, and he start swinging like a street *******.

There was a plenty of top fighters when Wilder was around, and he fought noone, but coming back from retirement Fury and 50 years old bum - Ortiz.
Whyte has better resume than Wilder and Ortiz together.

And neither Duhapas and Breazeale was a good opponents. And again boxing ain't working with, who KO faster of who opponents.
That sound dumb as it is.

But if you wanna play that game, alright:
It took Wilder 5 rounds to KO Gerald Washington, yet Kownacki KO him in 2. Is that mean Kownaci > Wilder?
It took Wilder 9 rounds to KO Molina and he was going life and death with him, before the KO, yet Joshua KO him in 3, without Molina ever touching him.
It took Wilder 11 to stop(referee stoppage i think) Duhaupas, yet Povetkin send him into oblivion in 6, Yoka KO him in 1 ....
It took Wilder 9 rounds to stop Szpilka, who outboxed him fairly easy, yet bum Kownacki KO him in 4, and Chisora KO him in 2 ....

Next time think before typing nonsenses. But i doubt you can, seeing how biased you are.

And Whyte actually deserved his title shot, unlike Wilder, who fought nobody before getting his, and even when he was Champion still fought nobody, until Fury destroyed him !

 

Drivel. Chisora is a journeyman with 11 losses (including to unranked Kabayel, who beat him more comfortably than Whyte and Parker) with a career best win over an aged, worn out, unranked Takam. Ortiz has two losses to Wilder: a historically long-reigning and big punching HW champion who was top 2-3 Ring ranked for 5 years. Ortiz gave Wilder his two toughest fights outside Fury and got a career best TKO7 over a never-KO'd 6th Ring ranked Jennings, who was coming off a decent performance over 12 rounds against Wlad and had beaten top 9 Mike Perez, who drew with prime Takam. Jennings has since gone on to give contender Joe Joyce his toughest and closest career fight, with a fair number of people thinking he should have been given the decision in Britain. A gassed Takam on the other hand was stopped by Joyce in 6, just as Joyce had stopped a morbidly obese, shot, post-Wilder 2 Stiverne in 6.

Parker is arguably even worse than Chisora because not only do most think that Chisora beat him, he seriously lacks power and aggression. Hence he went the 12 round distance in NZ with Cojanu and lost several rounds, while Ortiz and others before and after destroyed him in 2 rounds. Above a very low level, Parker doesn't KO or KD anyone and his stock-in-trade is relying on dodgy decisions. His best uncontroversial win is like Chisora, Carlos Takam at home in a highly competitive fight.

You haven't explained how consistantly beating opponents in more dominant fashion than ones rivals isn't a good indication of ability. Ortiz didn't just beat one of his better opponents in better style than his rivals; he did so on at least 6 or 7 occasions. Your claim that the heavily ducked Ortiz (who Hearn signed in 2016 to protect AJ from him) is a "bum" is based on nothing. Even Hearn said recently than no one wants to fight Ortiz! (which I don't even think is true anymore, now that he's officially going on 43 and has two wearing KO losses).

Dominating Duhaupas isn't a good win but he beat Charr in his previous fight and KO'd Helenius in 6 post-Wilder, who previously went the 12 round distance with Chisora and Whyte. The fact that Helenius is WBA mandatory right now after KO'ing an undefeated Kownacki twice is also irrelevant I suppose. Icing Breazeale in 1 also isn't a good win and isn't indicative of Wilder's ATG one-shot power, even though the highly aggressive young "power puncher" AJ only stopped him in the 7th after 166 punches.

The only argument you made with any substance was your last but it again falls apart under scrutiny. There are always a number of questions that need to be asked: when was the fighter beaten, is the performance really more dominant, has he deteriorated due to age, wear, inactivity or short notice? All of your examples fail this test.

Pressure-accumulation fighters like Kownacki or Babic will often blast out certain opponents very quickly, especially if the circumstances are favourable but they are vulnerable to counters and often absorb excessive damage. When Wilder stopped Washington in 5 he'd never been beaten and was active, by the time Kownacki got to him he'd had two stoppage defeats and had only fought once in 18 months. Wilder is a much lower volume fighter; a sniper who typically sustains less damage and often blasts opponents out with one shot. Hence Wilder was able to batter and stop Arreola in 8 with a broken hand and torn bicep, while Kownacki went life and death, breaking HW punch stat records with a much older, more worn version of Arreola who was able to take Kownacki's power, in the fight before Helenius stopped Kownacki first time.

Critics of Wilder such as yourself are typically ignorant of boxing politics. You say that Szpilka was outboxing Wilder but in reality he was way down on the cards! He did no serious damage to Wilder and got brutally KO'd earlier than Jennings stopped him. Every KO a fighter sustains, particularly at the hands of a KO artist like Wilder, is likely to worsen their punch resistance. Kownacki fought Szpilka coming off an 18 month layoff and the most devastating KO of his career, with an extremely aggressive pressure style that has failed him in many fights since.

Duhaupas had already been stopped by Wilder by the time he fought a juiced to the gills Povetkin and he fought him on literally a day's notice, after flying in to watch the fight! The much older Duhaupas who fought Yoka had lost 5 times and been stopped twice; an obviously shot fighter. This is no different to you claiming that Kevin MacBride is better than Evander Holyfield, your counterarguments completely ignore context.

The Molina performance was the worst of Wilder's career, yet he won virtually every round, dropped him several times and stopped him. AJ and Hearn clearly fought Molina was a worthy opponent as one of AJ's title defences as they fought the more worn Molina after Wilder. The worst performance of AJ's career on the other is getting dropped four times and quitting against unranked late sub non-puncher Andy Ruiz, whose most recent performance against a 40 year old, 18 months retired, shopworn Arreola suggests that he's not as good as the anthropometrically and stylistically similar prime Stiverne (coming off two dominant wins over near-prime Arreola) who Wilder schooled and battered. His previous poor performances against shopworn Liakhovich and Kevin Johnson also suggest that Ruiz is a weak fringe contender who lucked out against a vulnerable belt holder.

Wilder lost to the biggest elite SHW of all time: 6'9, 270+ lbs Fury twice over three fights where he dropped Fury 4 times, AJ lost to unranked late sub non-puncher Andy Ruiz and later became the first elite SHW in history to get dominated by an ex-cruiser, in his own backyard no less. Had Wilder KO'd Andy Ruiz you would have said that Ruiz was a bum, no different whatsoever to Kownacki (which is more or less true). Be consistent and admit that AJ was exposed by a bum.

 

TLDR. And there is no reaaon to quote the last post....
And visit the doc to remove your pinky glasses.

 

To be fair you can tell Ortiz has some talent, he knows how to box.
This is mainly due to him being a close personal friend of the Marquess of Queensbury so he was able to study the rules before they were published in 1867.