Dillian Whyte is the man

Or hunter

 

Thats a winnable fight

 

Well I got it

 

1. What do you consider a "low offer"? The offer was MULTI MILLIONS.

This is Whyte, WHYTE, he has never won a European title, Never won a World title, he is the challenger, a VOLUNTARY CHALLENGER.

When Whyte is on every internet platform, every Sports channel saying "I just want a title shot" you can't turn around after being offered the TITLE SHOT AND MULTI MILLIONS and say it's not enough.

2. I don't understand that? Only three fighters were big enough to fill that date? AJ fills the date, the opponent on irrelevant to be honest, AJ is the attraction.. so what do you mean?

3. What is Whyte worth? You tell me? Because the multi millions and the opportunity to fulfill his apparent lifetime ambition seems like a very good deal to me.

4. What are you talking about? Whyte as a voluntary defence and they didn't want to do it's they could go to America... then why make an offer? They didn't have to.. Whyte wasn't a mandatory for AJ and they owed him nothing.



The fact is Whyte has been offered opportunities, FACT, he has turned them down, he has walked away.

He went off and tried to find another promoter, went to see Al Haymon apparently. Then once he was told his REAL WORTH, he went back to Hearn with his tail between his legs and is now happy to be a PPV headliner not fighting for ANY TITLES and fleecing fans.

If Whyte wasn't with Matchroom/Sky/DAZN he wouldn't be earning anywhere near what is he now, he as been spoilt and now believe he is worth AJ monies when he fights for a world title.

Maybe Whyte should have won a European title, he should have taken the AJ opportunity and pocketed multi millions and then we would all know what level he really is at, because he isn't a world champion in waiting, he is a fringe contender who struck it lucky working with Hearn at a time Hearn needed to make PPV attractions and fill dates.

 

1. What is low and what is high is all relative really.

2. Even the biggest Joshua fan understands he wasn't filling Wembley stadium on his own.

3. Whyte's inflated value was based on the circumstances and already being a PPV name in his own right in Britain. Whyte wasn't just risking his ranking, but his status as a PPV star in the UK.

4. I already explained to you why Joshua needed to be seen atleast making an offer. But to be more definitive and detailed:

Fans had already booked flights and hotels, vacation time for the April date to watch a fight at Wembley (Remember this is London we're talking about). The fans wanted to see Joshua fight Wilder, Fury or Whyte.

Joshua wasn't prepared to give a 50-50 split to Wilder and Fury at that time. This put Joshua over a barrel. Wilder and Fury had other options. Joshua had only one option left for the Wembley fight: Whyte.

But Joshua as I recall was not exactly a fan of Whyte. He certainly wasn't going to pay him a fair price that would get him in the ring at short notice.

But he still had to make an offer, otherwise there would have been hell on with the fans.

If Joshua on his own was enough, why didn't he fight Big Baby Miller or Ortiz at Wembley? ... Because their names weren't big enough in the UK.

Joshua wanted Wilder or Fury, and when he couldn't get them for less than 50-50, he wanted to try and break America.

He had no interest in fighting Whyte. And certainly no interest in giving Whyte a massive pay day.

In the end it worked out nicely for Joshua (until it didn't). But there was still grumblings over the cancellation and a switch in interests to America, pushing his next title defence 9 months after fighting Povetkin who was already seen as a formality. Sections of the fans expected to see Joshua in with the best and not taking so long between defences. So, there was a fair bit of Schadenfreude when he came unstuck against Ruiz Jr.


The rest of what you said about Matchroom/Sky/DAZN and Haymon I actually agree with. But it is what it is. And Whyte is in the financial position he is in.

Btw I take it you accept my explanation about Whyte v WBC. And why he would turn down "the opportunity" to fight Ortiz for 2nd mandatory when he should have been fighting Breazeale in a final eliminator.

 

Didn't Whyte say regarding the offer he had to replace Miller that he had no issue with offered shared split but what his issue was that the split for a rematch if he had won(he wanted the A side split if he won the first fight which they werent prepares to offer him).

 

I think that was separate to the offer for the Wembley fight.
Though the rematch clause was a sticking point in both cases.
According to Whyte, Joshua only offered £4 Million to fill the Wembley date. Which I can't believe anyone can argue is little more than a FU to Whyte.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/boxing/47826316
Joshua pretty much admits to low balling him on the Wembley date here:
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/...t fighting for these,the king of the division.

 

Simply put.. NO

1. I asked a simple question after you claimed Whyte was lowballed.. he was offered MULTI MILLIONS.

If you believe he was lowballed when offered that kind of sum and the opportunity being a voluntary challenger at least come up with a figure that would have been acceptable.

"Relative" isn't going to cut it.

What does that even mean? Relative to what? Compared to who? You can't say multi millions is a lowball offer and not have a figure.


2. Do you know anything about AJ ticket sales? Do you know how quickly he sells out arenas? Have you seen what happens when it's sold out within minutes/a couple of hours?

People are selling tickets on StubHub, there was huge controversy over it, there is a HUGE demand.

AJ tickets are white hot, I think its madness but AJ sells out wherever he goes, AJ could fight ME (well, just beat me to death) and it would sell out within minutes.

3. Whyte would be risking his PPV status..? Firstly it's an undeserved status but it doesn't work like that, he was blasted out by old man Povetkin and was straight back on PPV, so the idea he would lose to AJ in a world title fight and not be on PPV again is a rather big claim.

4. Again.. What do you mean, AJ had to be seen to be making an offer? Whyte as going WBC route, he wasn't chasing AJ, he was chasing Wilder.

Sure, It made sense to offer Whyte the fight, it would be easier for everybody but he DIDNT HAVE TO. AJ (Hearn) made offers to lots of fighters, it's how it works.

AJ made an offer, a MULTI MILLION POUND OFFER and Whyte turned it down, if what you're saying is true then fans would have been raging, they were not, nobody understood why a man who was claiming he was being frozen out by everybody.. Was offered multi millions and a title shot and decided it wasn't enough.

And it wasn't enough just because Whyte says so? well boxing doesn't work like that, neither do other sports, CHALLENGERS IN WHYTES POSITION AND LEVEL OF ABILITY DO NOT DECIDE SPLITS, PURSES AND DEMAND 10's OF MILLIONS.

That's the part of being a challenger you have to navigate, if you believe in yourself, believe you have what it takes, then you take MULTI MILLIONS knowing once you win those titles thethe world it yours, you'll be the main man.

Because what you're basically saying is, Whyte was cashing out and just wanted more cash out money.. therefore proving he isn't world level because he doesn't believe it himself, so he knows he isn't AJ's level and therefore doesn't deserve AJ money.


Have a look at Whytes PPV figures, his live Gates, his digital hits, his fanbase.. nowhere near AJ, yet he somehow was lowballed when offered multi millions. GFTO

Whyte has never won a European or World title, never fought for either yet is being lowballed with MULTI MILLIONS.. DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF?

 

Perhaps I’m misremembering, but I’m sure Whyte felt that he was not given ample time when the Joshua offer came through. Remember, Hearn had already booked out Wembley, predicting the Wilder fight. When that couldn’t be secured they moved on.

Whyte does appear to be the best of the rest in terms of resume, so his recent comments about the likes of Molina and Breazeale having 2 title shots do hold a lot of weight.

Ah, boxing’s a weird “sport”.

 

You seem to have an issue conceptualizing what an elite boxer might consider themselves to be worth, compared to what ordinary men on the street (me and you) consider a fair offer.

At the end of the day, Joshua offered Whyte somewhere in the region of £4 million and £5 million pound (depending on who you believe) to fill the Wembley date.
According to Whyte, Joshua only offered £4 Million to fill the Wembley date. Which I can't believe anyone can argue is little more than a FU to Whyte.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/boxing/47826316
Joshua pretty much admits to low balling him on the Wembley date here:
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/497937/anthony-joshua-reveals-he-offered-dillian-whyte-more-than-5million-to-make-their-rematch-happen/#:~:text=Anthony Joshua has revealed he,for the world heavyweight titles.&text=“It's about fighting for these,the king of the division.

Compare this to what Joshua offered a relatively unknown fighter in Big Baby Miller:
How much Jarrell Miller will lose if Anthony Joshua fight is cancelled - Mirror Online

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY AN ESTABLISHED AND VERY WEALTHY FIGHTER (WHYTE) MIGHT TAKE ISSUE WITH JOSHUA'S OFFER..........

edit: Just to be clear that I am not ignoring what you wrote.
You are arguing with hindsight.
What Joshua may sell out now is different from needing a named opponent to fill the Wembley date.
Whyte getting a second PPV with Povetkin in 2021 is not really relevant to the argument.
BUT if you want to use such an argument, I would say Whyte made £4 Million in the first Povetkin fight...So that offer from Joshua looks pretty bad doesn't it...

 

Hey, man. We're all victims of COVID.

 

Facts are Whyte was offered MORE than he was worth and a 12 week camp after 4 months rest....there are no excuses that can be made for Whyte in that scenario

 

This is the same argument as I am having with N17. If none of what I have explained is enough regarding the Joshua low ball. Consider this:

In 2018 Derek Chisora publicly offered Dillian Whyte £5 Million for their second fight. Call it a gentleman's handshake, but at the very least it is a start point to negotiations...
Scroll down to the video:
https://www.*****.net/2020/05/06/anthony-joshua-dillian-whyte-ludicrous/

Whyte won by KO. After that the next fight would have been Joshua v Whyte at Wembley.

Anthony Joshua (The money man, the face of heavy weight boxing, the second coming) offered Dillian Whyte somewhere in the region of £4 to 5 Million to fill the Wembley date...

CASE FVCKING CLOSED LADS

 

How is offering someone their highest ever purse, when they don't bring anywhere close to as much in comparison to their opponent, a low-ball offer, that's just silly

I have no idea why you believe Chisora giving Whyte £5m to fight him is remotely plausible either

 

Great use of satire OP.