Dillian Whyte is the man

I am happy to admit we shouldn't watch other peoples pockets. But I think it is fair to say fighters (and most humans) will watch what their rivals are being offered.
Also I can agree that this is more of a stunt than an legal binding offer from Chisora.

However, is it really an argument to say it isn't a low ball because he is being offered his highest purse, if the back end isn't right? Also consider how much money would be generated by a Joshua v Whyte fight at Wembley, and the kind of contract Joshua was trying to tie Whyte into (as noted by other posters above).

If the comparison to the offer he made the relatively unknown Big Baby Miller to fight at the MSG does not satisfy you.

Then consider the kind of money Ruiz Jr. (which was also a life line for a stalling career) was offered to step in at MSG.

Then consider the relative career position and status as PPV headliner that Dillian Whyte held in comparison to Ruiz Jr.

So, saying something is Whyte's "highest ever purse" is not really a productive argument, when you consider the landscape and his career trajectory at that time.

 

Lol using Covid as an excuse........ as expected

If Povetkin wasn't fit he shouldn't have taken the fight

Also Whyte chinned him in 4 rounds..... wasn't like it was a lung busting 12 round fight that seen Povetkin blowing out his arse

 

Ruiz got under $1.5m dollars.

Taking Whyte's trajectory into account, the offer was above that trajectory.

So yes, it is productive.

 

Can you point me in the direction of where you are getting that figure?

It was reported Ruiz got close to $7m for the fight against Joshua at MSG. And Ruiz's previous highest purse was $1m when he fought Parker. So I am a little sceptical about Ruiz getting under $1.5m...
Andy Ruiz Jr purse: How much will Anthony Joshua challenger earn from fight? | Boxing | Sport | Express.co.uk
Jarrell Miller seems to document event's very close to what I recall, that Joshua was messing Whyte around on the deal, but were happy to pay Miller more:
Jarrell Miller's Total Package Is $6.5 Million For Joshua Fight - Boxing News (*******.com)

Note: These were being used as sources on Wikipedia, so I believe that would have been jumped on if people disagreed with it.

 

New York State Commission gives you their base purse. So $1.3m against $5.8m base purse. Ruiz probably did get around $7m, which really lets you know just how much more Whyte would've got

 

Thank you, then I think it is fair to say at a minimum the purse for Ruiz was $1.3m (of what was declared to the commission), but Ruiz didn't get less than $1.5m for fighting Joshua, but got closer to $7m. Something we agree on.

As for speculating on Whyte's potential earnings had he agreed to the deal presented to him. That's a major crux of the argument.
And the sources are pointing to Joshua trying to screw him on the back end.

Which points back to one of the elephants in the room: Miller being offered a better deal than Whyte, and the structuring of the rematch clause.

 

But if that was the case, would Hearn not rather screw someone who isn't his fighter, rather than one of his only PPV fighters.

I just don't see how, if he was supposedly screwing over Whyte, who was his own fighter and was headlining his PPV, Ruiz ended up getting a far better deal than Whyte would have

 

I do not think that 41 years 6 months old 228 lbs Povetkin needs any excuse.
His possible condition and shape had been described there in special thread after weight ins and BEFORE fight night.

Don't forget that 40 years 11 months old 224 lbs Povetkin KTFOed Whyte cold out.
I really appreciate Whyte's fans excuses and laugh at them like you laugh at old small Povetkin, boxer who here is considered over the hill even after his first fight vs Whyte.


I wish see what excuses you will post when you get that U.K fanbase besides Whyte at HW division does have 2 champions in Fury and A.J and also established high rank gatekeeper in Chisora.
This will impact possible future Whyte's purses and for ppl only pride will be to forget how old Povetkin had KOed him out cold and then he managed to TKO the same uncle, only 6 months older.


I will read with big pleasure excuses about Whyte if he will really get in the ring Fury or A.J.
Don't forget that he is 32 y.o 247-252 lbs boxer not 40+ y.o 224-228 lbs boxer.

 

You are a moron

 

I normally laugh at you.

You think you are damn smart kid?
U are clueless poster if you value whyte's possible performance from fight with 41 years 6 months old 228 lbs Povetkin AS possible performance vs not old boxers.

Also you might statisfy yourself by calling ppl morons in internet cos you have nothing to do in your real life. Such ppl always are entertaining fun in forums.

 

Well personally I think it benefitted all parties at the time for Whyte to receive a low-ball offer. Whyte-Hearn-Joshua.

It benefited Whyte/Hearn because the pressure being put on the WBC to call a final eliminator between Breazeale and Whyte was growing. In fact they did announce it a few months later. I believe Whyte's ultimate goal was to fight Wilder, and hopefully claim the WBC belt. THEN be in a much more favourable negotiating position when fighting Joshua (win-win for Hearn).
Had things gone according to plan, it was likely that Breazeale would have been a formality, but it would have been another PPV for Whyte. Then Whyte would have gotten to challenge for the WBC title, that's another, even bigger PPV.
And EVEN IF Whyte had lost to Wilder (/Fury), there would still potentially have been an appetite for a Joshua fight down the line.

So that put Whyte in a pretty good position at the time. (I mean he wasn't to know Fury would pull out of the rematch, but perhaps he was a little naive to think the WBC wouldn't screw him over yet again)

But this is why I believe Whyte was unlikely to sign a contract with Joshua to fill the Wembley date unless it was a very good offer. And according to various sources, it was anything but a good offer.

SO, Let's for a moment say Whyte had signed, what were the potential outcomes:

• Fighting Joshua would have given the WBC reason they were looking for to ignore Whyte's mandatory claim.
• The best case scenario if Whyte signed the contract was beating Joshua for a low-offer on the first fight, then getting a 40-60 split on the rematch. Sure the rematch would have been worth life changing money, but he had to beat Joshua first.
• The worst case scenario was losing the first fight for a low-offer, which would likely result in him losing his standing with the WBC, and having his status as a burgeoning PPV star in his own right badly damaged.

So that's why I suspect it benefitted everyone involved for Joshua to make such a low-offer. It allowed Hearn/Joshua to chase their American dream and arguably it allowed Whyte to save face whilst focussing on the WBC.

Now I am happy to admit, that someone who doesn't agree with me would see all of the above as reaching, but anyway you slice it, Joshua low-balled Whyte.

 

And you actually think Del Boys was gonna put 5 million up?

 

No I don't think he was going to put up 5 million up front on his own. But I think from the flow of the conversation in the video it was more to say 'I am happy to structure the deal so your side gets 5 million.'

Now whether they quite managed to hit that mark, I don't know. I imagine that was the start point for negotiations.

But I suspect it was within the ball park of expectations when the first fight did around 1/2million PPV buys in UK + DAZN would be showing it in their other regions.

DAZN showed they were willing to throw money around to top up fighter demands at the time.

Question for you:
Do you actually think a flat offer of £4m from Joshua for Whyte to fight him at Wembley, which included a rematch clause should Whyte win with the next fight being a 40-60 split was a good offer?

 

Considering he was offered 50/50 if he won and a rematch clause activated yes ,yes i do

Then factor in a cut of PPV revenue ,the amount would have been far greater

 

That is the first I have seen he was offered 50:50 on the rematch. Everything I've read pointed to 60:40 in favour of Joshua in a rematch.

I'm not sure why a contracted rematch would be favourable to Whyte anyway.

But either way that would be on the proviso of Whyte winning. Also I'm not sure why you assume Joshua was going to give Whyte a percentage on the PPV. Joshua, himself, said he didn't want to talk about %-splits with Whyte as he was the champion. When pressed on it by Cougan to reveal the total amount. Joshua said it was over £5m.

So I think it is fair to say the £4-5m number I gave is a fair reflection of what Whyte would be expecting from the first fight.

And if that is the case, Joshua offered Ruiz (a fighter whose career had stalled) a comparable if not better deal for fight 1, than he offered Whyte (a top 5 fighter at the time, who had just done 3 back to back PPVs).

So is it still a good offer?

Let's say for the sake of argument that it was a £4m purse that Whyte was offered. I believe George Groves received a £2m purse against Froch at Wembley.

So is it still a good offer?