Dillian Whyte tests positive for banned substance

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by wallworkjake123, Nov 6, 2012.


Is Dillian is innocent?

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  2. No

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  3. Who Cares?

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    Of course Whyte as a British fighter has value to drug agency. You need to ask the question.

    Without boxers/atheletes do you believe drug testing agencies have any value or purpose?

    Who would fund these agencies? How would they justify their existence?

    He was banned with no problems before, because back then he was a nobody with no value.

    UKAD could afford to throw him under the bus since he was just another crab in the bucket.

    He's now joined forces with MR one of the biggest promotional companies in this country and if you think the hearn's don't have influence and don't do backhand deals and that even applies to Frank Warren, then you need to dry the water from behind your ears and wake up to reality.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    Hearn do backhand deals with who exactly? You act as if UKAD are the ones in charge here, you can't pull strings with UKAD and bury a doping case.

    UKAD are minimally involved in the investigation, where an independent panel take over.

    These are individuals, experts in their chosen profession and field, not all likely to be morally bankrupt so as to take a bribe and risk a whistleblower destroying their reputation. There could be a dozen on the panel, you'd have to pay them all off, and then UKAD.

    Unlikely, Whyte is not even signed to Matchroom, it is a fight by fight basis, Hearn wouldnt go through all that trouble at all, maybe for AJ... MAYBE... certainly not Whyte.

    Yeah UKAD get their revenue from fighter(s)... PLURAL and athelete(s) PLURAL... not Dillian Whyte... they wouldnt stake or risk their reputation in accepting a bribe from Whyte just to bury his one individual case. There are PLENTY MORE where Whyte came from, Whyte is a drop in a lake... he isn't putting UKADs children to school with the money he makes.

    If there are 12 independent individual professionals on a panel to investigate a doping case on behalf of UKAD.... what PRICE would they accept to risk their reputationa nd destroy their career?

    10k?

    100k?

    500K?

    1 million?

    These guys probably earn well enough ALREADY. Whyte ain't got the cash to pay all these guys. And these guys ain't taking the risk of accepting the cash. They all work with each other, anyone of them can blow the whistle. Especially when it coems down to... "Oh so you paid that guy more than me"
     
  3. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly, it comes down to how much you can afford to spend on a good legal team, plus the potential liability UKAD could face if sued for loss of earnings. When costs of losing cases become underwritten by the government rather than having to come out of the department budget we’ll see UKAD become far more muscular.

    I thought the initial 2 year ban was harsh, no way he’d have got that nowadays...
     
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  4. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where are you getting 12 from? The tribunal is made up of 3 people who will listen to the case
     
  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    There is corruption involved in every organisation at every level of government and every sport.

    FIFA are made up of independent officials and they were found to be accepting brides in the region of millions. Even their president was caught out in a corruption scandal

    Attributing fancy titles and calling them experts doesn't mean these agencies consist of infallible characters which is the world you seem to live in, where Experts and professionals are perfect angelic beings who ensure everything is done correctly.

    Do you think that no corruption exists within the police because they're a government agency?

    There is an hierarchy in these places and you can be sure they know how to cover and protect themselves individually.

    As a complete body they've already been ousted for their corruption and lax attitude towards certain athletes doping.
     
  6. mgmark7

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    Total incompetence is as bad as a corrupt system. This whole matter should have been done and dusted by now instead it creeps on for no real reason.
     
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  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    You simply cannot compare different organisations, the econimical structure is completely different, and hence the sphere of influence.

    UKAD is considred to be very poor on this forum... FIFA?? Billion dollars????

    How much do footballers get paid? Way more than boxers, how many more footballers globally than boxers?? WAY MORE, how many more megastars??? WAY MORE.

    UKAD IS THE UK ANTI DOPING AGENCY, FIFA is worldwide... stretches far... many stakeholders, many athletes... highest earning in the world.

    You gonna compare FIFA to UKAD and Dillian Whyte? Get real man.

    Like I said, I painted a very realistic picture of Whyte's doping scandal, how much he has earnt after tax, and the likelihood that he has bought off a Dozen officals linked to the UKAD doping scandal..

    Highly unlikely, CHUMP CHANGE, compared to FIFA, and the billions of dollars, and the highest paid ahtletes in the universe.

    Why would you compared? Yeah scandal means scandal, but the circumstances are COMPLETELY different. This is what a court of law would dissect... motivation... probable cause.
     
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  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    The issues I have with posters like yourself is the level of ignorance in commenting on a situation you know very little about.

    We can sit here and say silence silence silence... but ones mans silence is another mans confidentiality clause. This is a legal situation, UKAD have strict procedures on confidentiality... and it does actually take them a while to evaluate various cases. Thing of how many ahtletes are registered under UKAD or involved in some type of case.

    The investigations are very involved.... lab tests... expert opinions... legal discussions... forensic analysis... corroborations... lasing with third party agencies like VADA... so much going on.. for one man... when the same is going on for many other athletes... it takes time.
     
  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    Where on God's green earth did you get three from? Absolutely not.
     
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  10. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    "The National Anti-Doping Panel is an independent body that determines anti-doping disputes in sport in the United Kingdom. Administered and run by Sport Resolutions, the NADP is funded by the UK government’s Department for Culture Media and Sport. Membership of the NADP is made up of a President, eleven legally qualified arbitrators and ten specialist arbitrators, all of whom have experience in high performance sport, sports science and sports medicine. The NADP is independent of UK Anti-Doping and other sporting bodies."

    Go do some research and development buddy. You definitely need it.

    Sick and tired of liars.
     
  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' booted Full Member

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    The economic value of an organisation has no correspondence to corruption. Your argument only goes to support my own since surely a poorer organisation would be more susceptible for having their heads turned through brides.

    As you rightly say, FIFA is a billion dollar organisation. So where is the motivation or need for a billion dollar to accept brides which we know for a fact has happened? . Because no matter how rich and profitable FIFA are, they understand without athletes and teams competing they have no purpose. So it's in their own interests and benefit to protect those teams and players who are performing the the tournaments and leagues they showcase

    Likewise without boxers, governing bodies and doping agencies serve no purpose, they have no tournaments to arrange, no athletes to test and no megastars to bring in audiences.

    Everyone loses.

    The amount invested in each boxer from sponsors. promotion, camps, trainers, nutritionists, sports scientists on his team as well as contractual agreement in place with managers and promoters who all take their slice out of the pie, all factors into their overall value to of the athletes.

    Their career's rest in the hands of these governing bodies and doping agencies

    That is why when Dillian was a nobody and didn't have powerhouses such as Matchroom behind him, he was dispensable, since he had no value.

    And that is why Joshua was given an exception to take steroids through a TUE, due to his value to what he brings to the sport overall.

    And you can be sure if in the unlikely event that Whyte recieves a ban, it will be a slap on the wrist in comparision to the 8 year ban he should be recieving.

    Since it's taken so long I am quite certain they are looking for all sorts of loopholes so he can get back in the ring ASAP.
     
  12. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You really are an idiot. That is the ENTIRE body of NADP.
    If you actually looked at the procedure of tribunals/hearings, you will see that it's a panel of 3, sometimes 1 and in other cases it will be either the president or vice president.

    But I'm sure you fully researched that rather than Google 'what is the NADP' then copy and paste.

    EDIT: Infact about 3 question down from what you COPIED AND PASTED, is an explanation of the procdure haha.

    But again im sure you fully reserached that.
     
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  13. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aydamn is in here trying to convince people that this is like a supreme court hearing!
     
  14. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Whyte the REAL Boogeyman booted Full Member

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    And where is your link to tribunals/ hearings being 3 people? I'm waiting.
     
  15. nurological

    nurological Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Somebody fully researched like yourself shouldn't need links! Just look into that big empty head of yours, im sure youll find it.
     


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