Dillian Whyte tests positive for banned substance

Big Ears I think he means whos given out the info on what the boxer tested positive for ukad or the boxers team

 

I'd assume Whyte's team, however UKAD report what athletes are currently banned and what they've been banned for (although it can take up to 6 months for this).

So interestingly I've just found Ryan Barrett was banned for 15 months for taking Methylhexaneamin.....aka 1,3-dimethylamylamine (DMAA). His sanction ends in July of next year.

Ali Adams is banned for 2 years for anabolic steroids (stanozolol)
Enzo was banned till 2 weeks ago, for 6 months, for DMAA
Tony Dodson was banned till last July, for 5 months, DMAA
Larry O is banned for 4 years for taking absolutely everything available on this ****ing earth, multiple anabolic steroids, EPO, HGH etc.

Terry Dunstan (Ephedrine) and Michael Banbula (Testosterone) are also currently banned. So while there is the chance that Whyte's team have put a cover story up for the time being (although I doubt it), the truth will be divulged in the not too distant future. The UKAD also publish the finer details of each case for you to read, and thus if anyone if wondering why Barrett got a much longer sentance than Enzo or Dodson it becomes obvious with reading the cases. Not than Barrett is actually any more guilty than the other two, just they presented much better cases.

 

No- if you read the Ryan Barrett judgement its completly different to

Dodsons and Macrinellia. Ryans story kept changing and then he blamed

people for handing him "red bull mixed with some unknown powder"

Theres no cover up with Dillian Whyte the UKAD have already established

that the reading was caused by Jack3d.

Clearly a genuine mistake and i hope he is treated fairly.

 

I have, hence why I stated 'thus if anyone is wondering why Barrett got a much longer sentance than Enzo or Dodson it becomes obvious with reading the cases'. I don't know which of them (if any) knowingly used an illegal stimulant, but I do know Dodson and Enzo presented very good cases compared with Barrett. But then again you'd expect higher profile fighters, with more money and better teams around them to do just that.
Not that it would of been hard for Barrett to present a much better case than he did, and their shambolic efforts to argue reasons for the positive test undoubtedly led to his much lengthier suspension.

Had he presented a similar story to Enzo or Dodson (which would mean he would assumedly be lying*), he would probably have also got 5-6 months. The difference between them is not necessarily what happened, just what was presented as having happened.

Whyte will likely get 6 months, which I feel in itself is somewhat harsh. He took a banned stimulant during training (not a fight), unknowingly (I believe), and I feel fining him the value of his purse for his last fight would be sufficient. Although on top of this should be a 2 year suspended ban which would be applied if he tests positive for anything in the future (+ the length of ban for whatever he hypothetically takes), as there's now no reason at all for him not to be fully educated on exactly what he can and can't take and be particularly meticulous about this.



*Just to clarify I'm not saying Enzo or Dodson is lying, incase people thought that's what I meant by that statement.

 

There was no reason for him to not have been fully educated about this stuff before he took it. He knew certain substances are banned, or might be banned, and that certain products contain these substances. Considering the punishment he might face, he really should have been meticulous from the very beginning.

Claiming he doesn't understand what the words on the container mean is not a reasonable excuse for a professional sportsman.

 

RE; press release. What im trying to get at is.
I would expect the substance that is found on the test to come under the rules of confidentiality. Im not saying doping agency arnt allowed to to tell board etc that hes failed but the reason (or to be exact,the substance) for failing is the part im suspicious about. But as youve said that ukad release the info on the particular substance within 6 months,i didnt know that. So i stand corrected.
Putting confidentiality to one side it just seems so convenient ,that all thats testing positive alately is for jacked. Its the least damaging reason at this time, and the one id use if i threw a positive but didnt have to tell the public the substance that got me caught.
Pre workouts can be great for boxers im not saying they arnt,what i meant is-as youve already stated l-arganine is a pre cursor to nitric oxide and what does that do- it gives you a pump, that imo is counterpoductive to what a boxer wants in training and id argue the same for a strength trainer.
Also all the other things youve written in your post are bang on and well presented.
IMO getting a pump in boxing training is undesirable. That was the crux of my point.
Also i agree taht a good dose of caffeine either on its own or with 2 or 3 of the other combos i.e guarana etc out there will serve a boxer well.

 

Good post. I would also point out that a lot of the studies into supplements are poorly constructed and usually biased towards the product being tested and are not usually peer reviewed. Where there have been well constructed tests the results have shown little or no effect other than a placebo effect or the effect of taking a large dose of a stimulant which may not be healthy for central nervous system when used long term.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18863293

 

ive got to be honest im not sure where i am with this, the only thing i take is a maximuscle protein shake and eat healthy drink lots of water and go to bed early but if im honest i have no clue whats in my shake, ive never researched it as ive just assumed its ok, lazy by me i know but if i was to fail a test then come out with excuses nobody would believe me but it would be the truth, everybody is trying to get that edge in performance but im pretty old school, run, spar, hit the pads and the bag, then do your ground work, eat healthy get your rest, job done

 

i am sure there are many sports people taking over the counter products that would lead to someone failing a test, products like this should have a warning on them saying what sports you can use them in, i feel a lot of the time it is not the fault of the sports person, and also dont think the small amounts of anything in them will give that much of an advantage, not like we are talking the stuff like lance Armstrong was on

 

Whyte is in this months muscle&fitness talking about supplements and training !

 

It's not up to the supplement manufacturers to determine what sports their products are suitable for. The regulatory bodies of sports determine what substances are banned, and this can change over time. Relying on the label for what is essentially legal advice would not be a good idea.

If the label states what the product contains, then it's up to the consumer to check wheth it's ok to use in their sport. If a sportsperson consumes a banned product, then they are to blame, nobody else.

 

Honestly some of you need to actually read up on what certain substances are. Jack3d is so far from being a steroid it is hard to put into words. If he was going to cheat by taking PEDs then the last thing he would do is waste his ****ing time and money, risking getting caught in order to take a glorified red bull.

Trust me, this is not a PED. It might now be banned as a stimulant, but combining aspirin and caffeine with ephedrine is banned too. We are not even in the same ball park as steroids, pro-hormones or things like EPO.

It is to give you a kick before going to the gym. Helps burn fat and give you energy for working out. He could have drunk 5 espresso's, taken 2 aspirins and a a can of red bull and been more buzzing. And it wouldn't get him banned.

I know we hear excuses but that is usually guys with genuine drugs in the system saying they didn't know. This is a ****ing nothing.

 

Maximuscle sell a pre workout drink called Viper that is not a dissimilar idea to Jack3D. It is not banned (as far as I am aware) but they have previously sold products that have later been banned from competition.

You'll be fine with their protein shakes, but like you said you trust it, because it's a big brand, it's not underground or dodgy, sponsors all sorts of athletes etc. But Jack3D is a big and popular supplement in the US.

I simply do not buy that if Whyte was trying to cheat he would risk it on something as innocuous as this product.

 

According to various news sources, his camp were made aware of it on july 17th. Why on earth was he allowed fight? UKAD are a joke.

 

Just seen this on the net, madness if true