Dillian Whyte vs Gary Mason.

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  1. Big Ukrainian

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    Parker was FAR better than Biggs, Chisora was better as well. Hell, I would even go as far as saying Helenius was clearly better than post-Tyson version of Tyrell Biggs
     
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  2. Unforgiven

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    I disagree.

    Whyte and Chisora are being massive overrated here.
    Your Helenius comment is way off the mark, in my opinion.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Joseph Parker was good but I don't rate Whyte's "win" over him much at all.
    I thought Parker at least deserved a draw, and that was with Whyte being erroneously credit with that first knockdown.
     
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    Tyrell Biggs gave Riddick Bowe a hell of a fight sometime after Mason beat him too.
     
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    Chisora's incredibly overrated. He's more like Everett Martin or James Pritchard level. Yeah, he might give Mason a good fight for a few rounds but he'd be outboxed and outpunched.
     
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    Exactly. He was slow compared to most of the elite back then but he looks better than some of the overhyped plodders we see today.
    Mason was nothing special in his day but if he was around today with Eddie Hearn et al hyping him, he'd been a multimillionaire PPV star and regarded as an elite contender.
     
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    Don't forget that Mason barely got by Everett Martin and Mark Wills. And his stoppage against James Tillis was the most ridiculous stoppage I have ever seen in boxing. Helenius at least knocked out 3 former world champions (all past their primes but still) and KO'ed unbeated Kownacki who was considered a top-10 HW by many prior to that fight. Helenius clearly has better resume comparing to Mason
     
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  8. mark ant

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    Where was Biggs rated by the ring mag, or any of the boxing federations when Mason beat him?
     
  9. mark ant

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    Unfortunately the talented Biggs' life has been a constant fight against drug and alcohol addiction. He had to enter rehabilitation only a few months after turning professional, and some declare that his career at the time of the Tyson fight was already effectively over. Biggs' robe was sometimes emblazoned with, "Realize your potential," a drug rehabilitation mantra. An article published when he was 40 years old characterized him as "still fighting between stints in rehabilitation."
     
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    Name the 5 quickest heavies in the early 90`s.
     
  11. mark ant

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    Bowe was very easy to hit but also hit Biggs a ,ot too, typical Bowe fight really.
     
  12. Jamal Perkins

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    And here lies the essence of the problem my dear Mark...your ocd like obsession with stats such as alphabet ratings ,the cut and pasting of repetitive well known facts and backstories... without the equivalent value placed on knowledgable human opinions with all their degrees of difference.

    The unconcious bias beleif that only your opinion is right and therefore the constant compulsion on every thread to quote and dispute every differing posters opinion rather than merely stating your own,letting others state theirs and letting the cards fall and the conversation flow....i get it these are forums ....designed for debate and difference...however constantly insulting others intelligence in replies....case in point...here you are now starting a chisora is better than biggs debate ....and your first call of authority is the ring ratings for late 1989.

    I dont need to quote the Ring Ratings of the time ...to back my opinion.

    Despite his drug ravaged rushed early pro career where he actually went backwards as a boxer not forward..... by the time he faced tyson 3 years in to his career Biggs had only been beaten by Tyson and Damiani (a man he beat often in the amateurs)...he had beaten the likes of james tillis ,David Bey and renaldo snipes. All 3 are better than any 1 chisora has ever beaten by some distance. Malik scott,kevin johnson and takam ( a man who made a career in the mid 2010s beating 40 something long 1990s relics) and danny williams...the less said the better.

    Biggs when he met mason was 28 with 2 losses and relavent......chisora after haye crushed him twice...has just become the sky boxing tv circuits gatekeeper in a woefully weak hw division globally
    Yes....so little goes so far in todays depleted boxing scene....back than i knew 30-40 interesting hw"s off the top of my head....these days despite youtube and the net...there are no more felt forum shows, no hw explosion...no small hall uk shows....just 7-8 regurgitated guys controlled by 2 salesmen...if a 1986 mike tyson under around today under cayton jacobs...he"d clean out the limited world scene in a year fighting every 6 weeks....than apart from the fury superfight...thered be no one for him to fight for 2-3 years.....the sport is shrinking
     
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    My picks for say 1990/1991/92 would be.....

    Tyson
    Holyfield
    Moorer
    Lennox
    A fading Dokes
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

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    Biggs was coming into the fight against Mason with 2 stoppage losses in his last 2 fights (one of which was absolutely brutal), he was inactive for 12 months and hadn't won a fight in 27 (twenty seven!!!) months.
     
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    All true big guy and well put.....there was hope however after the year off Biggs may knuckle down and finally do himself justice......Biggs was motivated and looked good vs Mason until the 1 punch knockout late in the fight...i think both fought at a level above the chisora or whytes of this world....whyte would have been the british adilson rodriguez back than imo....your opinion is different and well argued...it may be more agree with yours...i admit
     
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