Dillian Whyte vs John Ruiz

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  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora let his hands go a lot more and was a bit of a volume puncher. He reminds me more of rugged guys like Scott ledoux or trevor berbick. Ruiz tended to jab and grab a lot.

    Let's say your comparison is correct and they're similar. Whyte went 2-0 against Chisora, knocking him out in the 2nd fight. Ruiz was better but not by a huge amount. His best win was a shopworn Holyfield who was losing to just about everyone and he got brutally KO'd by Tua and lost to blown up light heavy Roy Jones. Not the most glamorous resume.
     
  2. NoNeck

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    That's not at all what Ruiz's resume looks like. And if you mean losing close to Lennox Lewis, then yes Holyfield was losing to everyone when he fought Ruiz.
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

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    Oh so you were serious?

    From 1999-2004 Holyfield did not win a single fight aside from John Ruiz himself, and Holyfield needed 3 attempts to finally get a W having obe draw and a loss. No, Rahman does not count, that "fight" ended due to a horrible head butt, possibly the worst head butt in the history of sports.

    Lennox won their fight, which was a unanimous decision. The first fight ended in a farce of a "draw".

    James Toney beat the dog feces out of him, an obese ex middle weight.

    Chris Byrd outboxed him, a feather fisted guy who did nit even belong at heavyweight and who started his career as a skinny boxer under 180 lbs.

    He lost to Larry Donald.

    That's a 6 year stretch with only 1 bogus "win" and a decision over Ruiz himself. I'll repeat what I said, this was a horrible shopworn version of Holyfield who was losing to everyone. You do realize BEFORE this stretch of his career he got beat up by Michael Moore and brutally stopped by Riddick Bowe? I'm honestly amazed the commission even allowed him to fight after taking all these L's. If you're so confident he was still a good fighter, why did he retire for 2 years from 2004-2006? Do You want to put up a poll and ask people of they think this particular version of Holyfield was still good outside of a decent effort against Lewis (that he still ended up losing?).

    Ruiz was not some elite specimen far above Chisora. Get real. The guy was so easy to figure out 2 former middleweights beat him.
     
  4. NoNeck

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    You wrote all that out, and I stopped reading after a few sentences because of absurd bias.

    The Holyfield wins were significant and Holy was top 3 or so in the division. And Ruiz beat Rahman, Oquendo, Johnson and some others. I don’t even like Ruiz, but Whyte’s history of scraping by carefully picked opponents and getting iced by an old as hell Povetkin doesn’t instill confidence that he ever reached Ruiz’s level.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

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    How is a fighter going 1-2-5 in a 6 year stretch worthy of being top 3 in the division?

    Literally everything I wrote is a historical fact. Holyfield was getting thrashed left and right. His ONLY win in SIX YEARS was John Ruiz! On what planet can a guy get 1 win in 6 years and be ranked top 3 in a division?!?

    Explain!

    Barely scraping by hand picked opponents? The only close fights he was in were the 1st Chisora fight and the Parker fight. Everything else has been unanimous or brutal KO's. He's the only guy taking on all comers in the division. Parker is not an easy man to outbox and has a very cautious mover style. And Whyte took matters into his own hands knocking out Chisora in the rematch, whom you insist is similar to Ruiz.

    Yes Whyte got iced by Povetkin in a competitive bout after dropping povetkin twice and running into a shot he didn't see coming. Ruiz was iced by Tua in 1 round. You really want to go there? Povetkin has accomplished more than Tua in both the amateurs and pros and is a more skilled boxer.

    You are picking some weird hills to die on.
     
  6. NoNeck

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    You must be new to the sport. I get it now.

    The Ruiz fights were sandwiched between Holyfield winning four or five rounds in a loss to peak Lewis and beating prime Rahman. Isn't that important what happened next next because he was old and had a shoulder injury.

    Ruiz wasn't prime for Tua and Tua would've beaten the zhit out of a 40 year old Povetkin. Whyte struggled with Chisora x2, Parker (lol at he reffing), and Rivas (juiced). He got stopped by Povetkin and Joshua. It's not a very high ceiling.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    No I'm not new to the sport. I remember hearing all the BOOOS when Holyfield got a gift draw to Lewis. He did well in the 2nd fight but he still lost.

    You can shift the goal post and say "what happened next isn't important" but what about what happened before? Holyfield got demolished by Bowe and Moore. People were telling him to retire BEFORE the Ruiz trilogy, that's how shopworn and horrible he was looking.

    He did not "beat" a prime Rahman. That's got to be the funniest claim you've made for someone getting on their high horse about their boxing knowledge. Did you watch the fight? I didn't know head butting the **** out of someone counted as a legitimate win. It was not a decision that he earned after 12 rounds nor was it a knockout. Last time I checked, those are the only 2 ways to legitimately "beat" an opponent. If anything Holyfield should have been disqualified or at the very least the fight labeled a no contest. How do you "beat" an opponent when the fight ended due to a foul?

    High ceiling? Ruiz was beaten by the plodding caveman Valuev, former glass jawed middleweight Roy Jones, and iced in 1 round by Tua. Ruiz's best win is a shopworn Holyfield approaching 40 and that's the ONLY reason why you're fighting tooth and nail to hype up this far past his best and weak version of Holy. Doesn't matter if you think Tua would have beaten Povetkin (very debatable), losing in 1 round is far worse than losing losing in 5 after dropping your opponent twice. Whyte also never lost to ex middleweights.
     
  8. Zakman

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    EXACTLY! Which is why no one who knows anything about boxing should ever give that cheating FRAUD any credit for his supposed "victories" against top level fighters, as he violated the rules in virtually every fight he had against a live body. And those where he was forced to fight WITHIN the rules, he lost. Why? Because Ruiz had all the ability of a high-grade clubfighter. Without King to grease the wheels for his illegal tactics and other shenanigans, he's a low-level journeyman at best.
     
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