Dillian Whyte waive rematch clause - Usyk vs Povetkin instead?

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Usyk vs Povetkin

Poll closed Jan 8, 2022.
  1. Usyk KO/TKO

    8 vote(s)
    22.9%
  2. Usyk Decision

    23 vote(s)
    65.7%
  3. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  4. Povetkin KO/TKO

    2 vote(s)
    5.7%
  5. Povetkin Decision.

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  1. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why would Usyk step aside? Why should he? Why is that "honourable"?

    No way, absolutely not, no amount of money would be enough, he should force his shot, Usyk was undisputed cruiserweight world champion, he held the lot, he is unbeaten and is mandatory for the WBO title.

    Also, think about this logically, we are now in August 2020, Fury and AJ fight at the end of the year, AJ Vs Pulev and Fury Vs Wilder or a keep busy defence.. around end of November/mid December.

    So Ok, let's say Usyk took step aside money, Fury Vs AJ happens on June 2021, then there is a rematch at the end of the year. So 2021 is out of the picture.. that's already 15-16 months away.

    Say it ends 1-1 with AJ and Fury, it's possible, there would probably be a third fight.. I think there would be, look at Wilder and Fury.

    So Usyk isn't getting a shot until the end of 2022? Maybe 2023?

    And even then the winner might just drop the belt because the biggest fight has been done and other mandatories would be due.

    So Usyk could end up in a BS fight against some average heavyweight and that isn't PPV or high profile, a almost meaningless fight with a devalued belt because people would say "he didn't beat the main man".

    Or force his shot, against AJ and fight for the right to prove himself against one of the best in the division.
     
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  2. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    It's all just opinion, but I simply don't agree that Usyk has done enough to warrant a shot at the title when he's only beaten Chazz Witherspoon at heavyweight level!

    And who's his next opponent? Chisora!! You talk about meaningless fights, but how does this Chisora fight prove anything? A slow slugger of a heavyweight who is there purely to act as a punching bag. We all know Chisora stands no chance against Usyk. Usyk will dance around him, make his face look like a tomato, and make his corner retire around 9-10 rounds. If Usyk was really confident in himself he'd challenge someone of real value.

    In my opinion - It should be Usyk vs whoever is at least the number 1 ranked contender in a title eliminator. If he beats whoever that is, he's proven himself worthy. I don't think you prove yourself worthy of a title shot just because you were champion at the weight below.
     
  3. The Underdog

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    You are sick and need help.
     
  4. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Regardless if he deserves it or not, he will be mandatory, so he should force his shot.

    Look at Whyte, why take any unnecessary and pointless risks to "prove" anything? Prove it to who? You? I'm fine with Usyk being mandatory, so are many others.

    Did Wilder deserve his shot? Did AJ? Some would say "No",

    It can all backfire, a clash of heads or injury can ruin all those plans, So there is no point, you've got a shot now insist you get it.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t think Whyte will waive the rematch clause.

    For one thing, you either exercise it or it goes bye-bye. You don’t get to say “I have a contract that allows me to call for a rematch at some point in the future when I’m ready.” It has to be spelled out and guaranteed if he doesn’t enforce it as the next fight and within a certain time frame, it’s null and void.

    Also specified are the financial terms, and that’s why I think Whyte pretty much has to enforce it. It’s a guaranteed payday, probably for a fairly substantial sum, and if he passes on that who knows what he gets paid for his next fight, and whom that would be against.

    Apart from the Povetkin rematch clause, he’s not in a good bargaining position to get back into the big money. If he takes it and wins, he’s pretty much back where he was ... or close to it — in the title picture. If he passes he’s probably looking at a way lower-paying stay-busy fight or two and then something way farther down the scale like Chisora.

    Yes, Whyte has deficiencies. He had them a year ago. Likely he’ll have them a year from now. He’s more or less what he is, a finished product. Can he marginally improve? Sure. Will he? Maybe. Maybe not.

    Bottom line, he takes the rematch and wins and he’s back in the picture. He takes it and loses, he’s right where he’d be if he didn’t take it at all. This is how he makes a living. It’s a business decision.
     
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  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He landed very few jabs. Its not like he was like GGG activity or Klitschko in his prime.
    Povetkin landed way more heavier shots. His shots was thrown with the intention to hurt Whyte.
    Povetkin definitely landed more solid shots.
    First 3 rounds were definitely for Povetkin.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Saying that Whyte beat fair and square Parker is just enough. This fight should have been won by Parker by DQ. Not to mention if the headbutt KD wasn`t, and even a point deduction, and Parker won that fight. Not to mention Parker lost all of his energy and was concussed after that illegal shot.

    Even the judges score the first round for Povetkin. The only round you can actually argue it could goes Whyte favor was the second. The third was clear Povetkin round.

    Again you can win rounds with the jabs, but not if you just land 2 jabs, and doing nothing the rest of the time. Oh dear i forget about all of the shots land were throwing to the body, but they were not body shots, but actually a illegal low blows. Should we talk about them ? And how the stupid biased referee didn`t even warn him ? And there was like 5-6 in just 3 rounds ...
    And after one of the low blows, the commentators said body shots, and Povetking didn`t like them, what a biased piece of .... commentators ... Of course he doesn`t like low blow shots landing on his .....
    Whyte is a dirty boxer and i hope Povetkin promoter bring the fight in Russia and the fight goes on being 100% clean, unlike all of Whyte matches.

    If we judge correctly going into the 5th round, the fight was either even or Whyte was up by 2.
     
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  8. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Iam a whyte fan and had to watch the replay in Russian so I opted for no sound and there’s no way whyte was as dominating as it’s being reported I think he looked poor and was down until the knockdowns both of which I thought were weak, i think he was clearly under prepared for povetkin if there’s one shot to be wary of that’s the one, I think they overrated whytes jab when I watched it again with sky commentary, I thought it was sloppy and lazy most of the time and gave povetkin confidence that he wasn’t fully switched on.
     
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  9. The Townsend

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    The commentary of Sky really confuse the viewer. Especially Adam Smith's booming voice. Pov defiantly had the first 2 rounds. I wish we could mute those freaks.
     
  10. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd like ti see Pov vs Ruiz and the WBC being totally biased for any mexican champ would jump at the chance to have Ruiz #1 contender. Be an awesome scrap.

    A rematch clause on a non title fight is ****ing dumb, especially when the fight ended the way it did, couldn't have been a clearer win.

    I had it even at time of the stoppage, thought Povetkin took the first 3 and then the 10 -7 round from Whyte.
     
  11. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Unfortunately for Dillion AJ will always beat Whyte and won’t be surprised to see Povetkin beat Whyte again.
     
  12. Felix Sanchez

    Felix Sanchez Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk and Povetkin should never happen.

    Povetkin wins rematch - Fight Fury and likely retire after, unless he wins.

    Povetkin loses rematch - likely retires.

    Usyk needs to force the WBO mandatory. Only reason they should be fighting is if there fight is for undisputed. And the chances of that are slim.