Ding AHHILATES Maccarinelli

Jack -

This is all relative to forum fun, nobody is really looking for praise more than some entertainment by this stuff, because it creates awkward social reactions, some of it is terribly funny stuff!

Besides, if you paid attention to chin arguments, many people don't call these "easy picks" for bad chins as you say, 90% tend to argue back until the joker is put out, Fraudley and Khan are definitley not the only ones and we tend to pick these guys out before there is a stitch of evidence...

 

You are stupid.

Where did i say Fraudly does not have a poor chin?

I said that that punch would take anyone down. It was hard puncher by a good puncher and caught Fraudly clean. A hard good clean shot would take anyone down.

Fraudly's chin is not good but its his own style and mentality that makes him an easy target to get ko'd. Some boxers can defend themselves and others cant. Khan has no defence what so ever so is a ko waiting to happen.

Some boxers are ponderous and rely on a big punch Enzo tonight proved that he is not one of these. Enzo also proved he can defend himself. He took a few good punches and shook them off so also has a decent chin. His defense was on the whole impressive, although he did leave his chin high a couple of times but Wayne was not tall enough to catch it and neither would Ding be if that match up ever got made.

 

I've no doubt you're correct on that one. Hopkins and Wright both had him wobbled. I'm not convinced Pavlik's the man to do it even if he has sufficient power as Taylor's the better boxer. If Pavlik doesn't do it, there's a whole host of them up at SMW who can do the job for sure.:yep

I think most people's problem with the chin thing is the relentlessness in telling everybody. It seems like you hate these guys purely because of their chin and want to make their fans dislike them too. I quite like Khan, for example, but I'm under no illusion as to his limitations. Despite that, I still think he can win titles even if he loses along the way. It seems a little harsh to single out fighters for not having a chin when they can't help it. It's like picking on midgets.

Besides, Lewis had no chin and he was the best fighter of his generation, no?

 

Sorry I know everyone here loves Ding, but I dont see him getting past Mac's masssive long armed jabs to land his bombs. If he can, then its goodbye Mac, but thats a big if.

Mac needs to face someone his own size to be tested. Fighting guys with real height and reach disadvantages is no good. why do you think they kept him away from David Haye? Haye is fast and big enough to get to Mac and **** his **** up.

 

Get over yourself!!

Everyone was saying Audley was ****, long before he got KO'd. Anyone could see Audley fought like he was afraid to get hit. Audley was already exposed with several losses.

Litzau was almost Ko'd on FNF's by Johnny Nolasko long before he fougth on HBO. It was no secret to anyone that watched the fight, they knew Litzau was wreckless with his defense and can be hurt.

 

LMAO, Braithwaite is 31 years old and has 25 fight.

 

I respect that Wayne is on the slide and had been out of the ring for along time but Enzo was impressive in all areas tonight. Wayne was never likely to land that lucky punch. Wayne now is prob on par with what Ding is at this moment in time. Good + a punch but you got to rely on having the skills to land it or the opposition having the stupidity to let you. Enzo's size would come into play in a match up with Ding for sure and however much I like Ding and hope him the best I can not see him winning Enzo. Obviously there is always that freak of a lucky punch that would take anyone down but if that did not happen Enzo would walk in the title holder and walk out the title holder.


I gotta take a nap before the bhop/winky fight starrs so i'll leave you to your infatuation with Ding. He must hate all the ass kissing on here.

 

But getting hit is getting hit. Having better movement and all the rest of the things you listed is spot on, however, is a fighter is getting hit clean, all those things don't matter. The chances of a sweet punch landing are less, sure, but if those punches do land the result will similar.

And I honestly think chins do get better. Look at people who have good chins.

Joe Frazier. Took a LOT of clean shots in his career against hard hitters, but at the start of his career was hurt severely by Bonavena.

Muhammad Ali was knocked down against Cooper, yet later on in his career took more powerful punches from Shavers, Foreman and Frazier. All harder hitters than Cooper by a long way. Compare Shavers punch in the 3rd or 4th round to the Cooper shot, and tell me which was better. Ali went down off the weaker punch.

Roberto Duran was floored by DeJesus, and later in his career took harder cleaner punches form Barkley, who was much larger and obviously hit harder.


Let me ask you a simple question. If a fighter goes into the gym for the very first time and gets hit clean on the chin. 10 years later and a champion, he goes back into the gym and takes the exact same punch. Is the result the same? Fighters get conditioned to taking punches. There's obviously a limit you reach before age becomes a hindrance for chins, but they steadily rise through a boxers career, and then drop.

Not nessecarily. If a boxer gets hit totally blind, he will suffer more than if he had time to anticipate the shot. The excuse "That punch would have knocked anybody out", is applicable if he saw the shot. If he did not, there is a good chance even that boxer would have reacted better.

Not having a chin like McCall or Chuvalo doesn't mean they are shakey-chinned though

 

Zak, who just appear to hate British fighters...

Lewis, Harrison, Khan and now Enzo.

 

NO. We just have. Maccarineli got hit with several hard shots and shook them off.
I'm not saying he wont get ko'ed later in his career but he's far and away removed from Amir Khan(who REALLY has a problem).

These china chin posts are becoming really tedious. Find a new tune.