Ding AHHILATES Maccarinelli

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zakman, Jul 21, 2007.


  1. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    I've seen Enzo in trouble against some good (not great) punchers, I can't deny that. But these are big blokes at Cruiser and Enzo's defence wasn't as tight as it is now. Enzo Calzaghe is tightening everything Maccarinelli does up and we're just starting to see the results of that now. On Saturday, I was really impressed by how quick he seemed at times and his speed, boxing and most improtantly his defence is much better.

    I think Enzo is beatable by the very best in the division. I think he's quite open to someone with a big, accurate right hand. Ding just doesn't have the sharpness and the accuracy to be the one to do it. There are some great fights to be made in this division, but Maccarinelli vs Wilson is not one that excites me very much.

    Maccarinelli TKO8
     
  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Simply guessing would produce 50/50 outcomes, based on simply probability theory - but as I indicated, while I have not computed my exact prediction percentage, I would GUARANTEE you that is above the 50/50 outcome one would expect simply by chance - the very fact that I've lead the prediction competitions is evidence of this.

    Now, on Chinchecking - you offer the same ol' fallacy offered by many boxing fans - "ANYBODY. . .can knock out any other fighter." If that's the case, how come Oliver McCall's never been knocked out. The reality is that a fighter has to have less than solid PUNCH RESISTANCE (i.e. chin) in order to be knocked out, and the more that this happens, the closer the fighter gets to glass.

    Of course, you also have to consider the opposition - which is why Fraudley, who was starched by a guy with a 50A% KO rate, and Litzau, who was taken out by some stiff with a near-.500 record, clearly have glass jaws. Maccinarelli also was taken out by some guy with a .500 record - but since it happened early in his career, and he hasn't been knocked out since, the most accurate rating of his chin is "SUSPECT." I have a strong hunch it will be PROVEN glass soon, just like Fraudley and Litzau - which is why I want him to face Ding!:happy
     
  3. Ding

    Ding Champ Full Member

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    "Nwodo is not a harder puncher than Maccarinelli, no way."



    :-(
    OK
     
  4. Ding

    Ding Champ Full Member

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    It depends on what he is allowed to bring to the ring.:gun
     
  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Enzo can't fight backing up, you're pressure would open him up to your massive shots, how can everyone miss such a simple little fact?:lol:
     
  6. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

    Indeed!!:good
     
  7. PrideOfWales

    PrideOfWales Winston Zedmore Full Member

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    Because of Enzo's jab
     
  8. dlogvine

    dlogvine headhunter Full Member

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    We shall see to it. I think that besides an ability to hold the punch you are greatly overlooking something that a lot of the people do not take into consideration - defense against these heavy bombs. This could be just a simple and unnoticable little move of the boxers head or body that softens the power of the punch or significantly decreases it. Even the tightness of the neck muscles at the moment of receiving a punch could play significant role in withstanding this punch. And this ability to dodge or get away from the punch even when it hits you really makes great fighters. Again some people can withstand more punishment than the others, so I dont want to discard this, but it looks to me like Maccarinelli does know how to box (not just throw haymakers) better than Ding. Still I think that Ding is able and totally can end the fight early (the sooner the better for him) and Im Dings' fan all the way.
     
  9. Matthew W

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    This whole glass chin nonsense is a bit ridiculous. At Cruiserweight and Heavyweight all fighters are susceptible to being KO'ed if they get hit with a big punch, it doesn't prove they have a glass chin, and so if Enzo did get KO'ed by Ding or Haye that wouldn't prove anything.

    If a guy is getting repeatedly wobbled by average punchers, or can never seem to take a good punch, then you have a case that they have a glass chin, but the fact that Mac took some good punches against Braithwaite, and also in other fights such as against Hobson, proves to me he doesn't have a glass chin, and if he now gets KO'ed against a big puncher that doesn't prove anything.

    I haven't seen Ding fight enough to predict the outcome if he were to fight Mac, but having seen clips of the Nwondo fight he is clearly a very big puncher. From what I've seen Enzo looks like the better fighter, and if I had to call it I would call it the same way as the Braithwaite fight, Enzo by clear UD, but he would definitely be running a risk taking the fight. Looks like Enzo is fighting Cunningham on the Calzaghe-Kessler undercard anyway though.
     
  10. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People who dismiss Tokarev's chances against Maccarinelli praise Wilson and have no doubt that he would beat the Brit!
    Makes me laugh!
    Cora defeated Wilson,and Tokarev beat both Cora and Wilson.
    Wilson hasnt beaten no top fighter yet.Quite the opposite whenever he faced a known name inside a box ring he wasnt the one who was called victor.
     
  11. Ding

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    Just curious, have you seen Dale Brown's fight with Bell?

    The fight he had after Bell he suffered a bad Back injury in the 1st round if you didn't know.

    Have you seen the Kelvin Davis fight with Bell?

    Tokarev and Cora are better names than Dale Brown and Kelvin Davis:huh Neither one was a world champion. Dale Brown CLEARLY beat Oneil Bell.

    Oops I forgot, there is no possible way I had a serious problem with my adrenal glands when I fought them (its documented, look it up on google), It was just an excuse. :-(

    If I had fought Emmaneul Nwodo in the same condition I was in when I fought them, I may not have made to the final bell, and I've never been on my back. He is WAY stronger than them.

    BTW, who are you ?? What have you done in boxing?

    All of you will respect me soon, cause when I get my shot I will be champ, but people will still find a way to hate because of their biased minds. I really need you, trust me I do.:good

    The reason people would favor me to beat Enzo before Tokarev is because I'm much deadlier puncher with a better chin.:deal

    I've never been considered a liar by my peers, so I have to take it with a grain of salt when you say I was lying about my physical condition and training camp length when I fought them.

    :****off
     
  12. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Bingo. And if Maccarinelli actually has the BALLS to get in the ring with you, people will see exactly what difference those qualities make.

    IMO, Enzo's shaky chin lets him down early, and you bounce him up and down off the canvas like a basketball!:yep:D
     
  13. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Not exactly - the key isn't whether fighters get "wobbled," it's whether they get KTFO. The true glass jawed fighter ends up unconscious on the canvas, not merely wobbled, multiple times. A classic recent example is Hasim Rahman.

    This myth that "all fighters are susceptible to being KO'd" is proven false by the many fighters who fight regularly at HW, but do NOT get KOd. The guys that get KOd clearly have, at a minimum, suspect chins. And if it happens more than once, you can be pretty sure you're talking CHINA. :nod
     
  14. Words

    Words Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HOw shaky is Enzo's chin? I mean Lee Swaby knocked him out early in his career, but I'm willing to forgiv that coz Swaby is a good fighter and Enzo was total novice when he took that fight. He was hurt by Mark Hobson in their first fight, and although Hobson at the time was definitely world top 20, he's not a bigger puncher than the likes of Haye, Ding, Mormeck, and Bell.

    we all know Haye's chin isn't great, although I get the feeling that neither is Enzo's, just due to some cautious match-making and a more cautious style inside the ring he's not had it exposed the same way. I think that if Enzo had fought the likes of Arthur Williams, Carl Thompson, Glen Kelly in his first 10 fights he might've been knocked out.
     
  15. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think we all respect you for what you do in the ring. I just seriously doubt that any champ is just going to give you a title shot unless they have to. I personally think you should beat a guy in the top 10 to make that happen.

    Enzo looks improved. His jab is better, he's tall and hard to reach and, whether you hate on him or not, the kid can flat crack with the right hand. He's a better fighter than Nwodo and would be the clear favorite over Ding at this point. That's not to say he couldn't get ko'd, anyone can if hit with a huge bomb.