Dirrell, Froch, and The Great Train Robbery

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I do actually like him even if it might not sound like it sometimes. He just rubs me up the wrong way every now and then. I've spent a lot of time defending him and arguing with his haters and detractors over the years. I probably will do so in the future too. I just wish he'd reel that mouth of his in sometimes though.
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You keep mentioning these so called comments but alter them to suit. Find the thread to see what was really written.
    As for Froch/Dirrell. Froch wasnt countered throughout, though was countered at times. He also had Dirrell holding and ducking below the belt as I recall.
    For someone who was countered throughout, Froch landed more
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He's a ****ing massive **** and a **** lol
     
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  4. AnotherFan

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    I think Carl Froch knows very well how close his fight with Andre Dirrell was, and calling him a "victim" is just a part of his bravado act.

    The ESB-member KillSomething made a round by round breakdown were he argues that Froch actually deserved the nod. I'd like to see one of the Dirrell-was-robbed-crusaders put in the same effort. There's something with the outcries about this fight that bug.gers me a bit. I'm fine with people thinking Dirrell won it, but I think Froch actually were able to tag him. That's why Dirrell did all his spoling, he was getting hit more than he was used to, and didn't like it. You could even see him bleeding from his mouth and nose between two of the rounds. Quite strange if all of Carls shot were missing :huh
     
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  5. Serge

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    I haven't watched it since I saw it live on TV, but Dirrell's tactics were shameful. It's nigh on impossible for most fighters (especially one like Froch) to not look terrible against someone who uses their speed and athleticism to stay on the outside and then either grabs a hold of him like a terrified orangutan, ducks below waist level, or flops to the canvas everytime he manages to get close to them.

    Dirrell boxed the way he did because he was scared out of his wits of getting KTFO. He didn't take more chances because he feared that's exactly what would've happened had he. But don't start me on that.. I'll leave that to the rest of you to debate. I've not even been to sleep yet and even if I wasn't absolutely knackered I've little interest in rehashing that stinking fight. lol
     
    Serge, Apr 19, 2015
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well I think if you watched it again, you may change your opinion. Six years is a long time ago.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
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  8. AnotherFan

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    I'm not that much into it, tbh :lol: I'd rather look forward to DeGale vs Dirrell. Regardless who wins, I hope the outcome will bring some heat to the SMW again.
     
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  9. Loudon

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    I know what was written.

    Regarding the Dirrell fight, Carl was out landed with clean shots frequently.

    It seems to me that despite not landing anything of note, missing wildly, and getting countered, Carl was awarded the rounds based on walking forward. But my argument is, how can you give someone a round based on aggression, if said fighter is being outboxed? Aggression should certainly be taken into consideration, but first and foremost, it should be who's landed the clean shots and who's been the better boxer. Andre landed some beautiful crisp combinations, and then jumped out of range to avoid getting hit. Now that's what I constitute as great boxing. But because the action was limited, they gave the rounds to Carl. I think it was BS. But if you have the time, go and watch it again. It's only 36 mins.
     
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  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Carl missed with his jab for the majority of the fight.

    Also, Carl hip tossed him and continuously rabbit punched him through frustration.
     
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  12. Loudon

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    I don't need to do a round by round account. I watched the fight two days ago and have posted the link to it. Of course Carl caught him with some shots, it was a fight after all. But he missed an awful lot and Andre landed the cleaner ones, with much more frequency. I find it very strange that aggression can be held in higher regard than actual boxing ability.
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How many times did they come together like that?

    When was the last time you saw the fight?
     
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  14. AnotherFan

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    I'm not sure that was what happened. Carl was all over Andre, and like you said, he was missing a lot. But from what I can tell, Carl threw a lot of shots while Andre was moving, and it takes very keen eyes to tell when those shots tagged Andre or not. It's probably a lot easier if you sit at ringside, like, oh lets say a judge.

    I think this might be why Carl got the nod.

    There might be a reason to why Andre clinched, threw himself to the ground, and was more keen on using his fancy footwork to stay away than he was on throwing punches. And this reason is that Carl brought a whole lot of pressure to the table, and among that pressure were shots landing during messy situations on the inside, and while Andre struggled to get away.

    I'm not saying Carl won it. I'm saying the fight was closer than some people like to believe.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    What do you class as Carl being all over him?

    He walked forward and threw wild shots that clearly missed to anyone sat at ringside.

    Carl did pressure him, there's no doubt about that. But despite pressuring him, Andre landed the cleaner shots more frequently. The pressure came from Carl but the better boxing clearly came from Andre. There were rounds which saw little action. But even in those rounds, surely the round has to go to the guy who boxed better?
     
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