Dirrell, Froch, and The Great Train Robbery

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  1. Moanamchara

    Moanamchara Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/...ecards-and-punter-unhappiness-with-primetime/

    It's funny you say that and the 2 of the judges gave him a lot of the middle rounds. Im going to hate watching this...
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mate, those scores are frightening.

    I can't wait for you to watch the fight objectively.

    I watched it last night and thought it was outrageous.

    Where do these judges come from?

    If the judges or the fans had ever been inside a boxing gym, just to learn the basics, I guarantee that fights would be scored very differently.

    Carl's wife Rachael is naturally going to support her husband. But her shouting out "he's fighting like a f*ggot!" on the grounds that he wasn't stood in front of Carl going toe to toe, just epitomises how a casual sees things.
     
  3. Stallion

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    Unfortunately the decision itself changes perception of the fight, and that is often the case (most recently, a shameless 114-114 score gave some extremists the courage to claim that they scored Lomachenko-Russell a draw, etc).

    What happened here is that Dirrell outscored Froch more or less every single round. Again some people choose not to see that and just outright say "there was no action in most rounds", but the fact still stands and shouldn't be ignored.

    At most, you could have given Froch 4 rounds here imo (giving Froch every benefit of a doubt) and easily argue for less. Giving Froch 6 or 7 rounds is in my opinion a clear robbery, and that's the case we had with those judges.

    If Dirrell just runs around the ring, sneaks a couple of punches here and there, while Froch chases him and hits nothing but air, then Dirrell won the round, no matter how dull it was, whether or not Froch was the aggressor. If you were going punch for punch and ****yzed every round that way, counting scoring punches each guy connected, there is simply no way Froch even came close to winning.

    There were even rounds where you had to choose between Dirrell outlanding Froch and Froch scoring harder shots, and I gave those rounds to Froch (for example that round where Froch managed to land 1 good shot and then smiled), but I surely didn't give anything to Froch when he was just chasing Dirrell around and getting hit by Dirrell, while managing to land nothing but hitting Dirrell behind the head in the clinch.

    Anyway, that's my take. If you had it Froch, it's on you and you should ask yourself a couple of questions. I had it 9-3/8-4 Dirrell in a clear cut win and imo it was a clear robbery.
     
  4. besty1985

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    I gave him rounds 6-10 and 12. With the 10th being a 10-8 round. Making it 114-113 Froch. You could have given Froch the 3rd as well given that he landed the only eye-catching punch in the entire round but I went with Dirrell fractionally due to volume.

    What you just said is a ridiculous exaggeration, Froch landed a good deal more than 8/9 clean shots and landed the heavier blows over the course of the fight.

    Dirrell did make him look silly on occasion, Froch had some wild swings but what you don't recognise is that it's much easier to be the fighter backing off, making the other guy miss. Froch must get credit for constantly stalking and making Dirrell back off. He owned the centre of the ring for most of the fight, that's undeniable.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Best post of the thread.

    I agree entirely with everything you've written.

    A great breakdown.

    I honestly don't know who could watch that fight and disagree with you.

    :good
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think it's bizarre.

    If you want to give Carl credit for continuously walking forward like the warrior that he is, without being deterred, then that's fine by me. But don't award him the rounds for doing so. He was being made to miss, he was getting countered, and he was getting outlanded. Who cares if Dirrell backed up and Carl poured forward? The rounds should be awarded to the fighter who's in control, hitting and scoring, and then slipping shots to avoid getting hit. It's the sweet science, not a Rocky movie.
     
  7. besty1985

    besty1985 Active Member Full Member

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    He was backed up by Froch's power, the telling blows were his.
     
  8. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    U should follow a different sport.....u don't know how to judge a contest
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nonsense.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Carl was basically rewarded just for his effort.

    Yes, he went forward. But so what? His jabs were missing by miles, and so were his left hooks. He swung wildly and was off balance. Yet he got the rounds, based on actually throwing the shots in the first place? Laughable. How can walking forward and throwing shots that miss, be deemed more important than actual clean counter punches that landed?

    Bizarre!
     
  11. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch did better vs Dirrel than Garcia did vs Peterson and than Canelo did vs Lara.:patsch
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not really interested in those fights, but some had close rounds.

    But what rounds did Froch win?

    He was hitting air and getting countered.
     
  13. kirk

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    I hate to say it, im a fan of froch, was rooting for him n dont care for dre at all but i scored it for dre. Ill rewatch it soon but thats how i saw it.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The only problem with this is Loudon doesn't like Froch and the timing of him creating this thread is very convenient given that Froch was running his big gob only a few days ago, which clearly got Loudon's goat a little in a thread about it the other day, as it did mine too.
     
  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At the time I thought Froch deserved the win because he was the aggressor and Dirrell just seemed to be running, holding, falling over and complaining. I would have to watch it again and score it to be sure but I don't see that happening any time soon. wasn't a good fight to watch from what I remember.