Dirrell stinks the joint out

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by David UK, Oct 19, 2009.


  1. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the amateurs they are but in professional boxing judges take much more into account. Some of that is very subjective and can lead to controversy and this may be one of those occassions.

    Personally, I had Froch just nipping but he didn't look great.

    I could be said that Dirrell lost this fight rather than Froch won it but if youre gonna run and spoil rather that fight, thats what you get.

    Dirrell looked good putting on more pressure in the last few rounds and had he done that earlier the result may have been different.

    Could he have put pressure on from that early point and still finished strong?

    That's another question.
     
  2. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yet, not only the judges fail to see it that way, a fair few ringside observers didn't see it that way either. Dirrell wasn't effective either and, for large portions of the fight, he was running away. he wasn't controlling the fight because he let Carl force him raround the ring.

    Boxing is more than a numbers game - punches landed, the effectiveness of those punches, controlling the pace of the fight...

    Dirrell was being chased and not using his defence to set traps till too late.

    For the record, and for the final time I hope, I had Dirrell winning a very close fight. Personally, having rewatched it I can see a draw, but this was no robbery.
     
  3. KingCobra

    KingCobra IBF World Champion Full Member

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    Yep. Boxing is, at least partially, entertainment and how many fight of the year candidates have you seen where one of the fighters runs for 12 rounds. If that's the way boxing is heading, I'll start watching a more exciting sport like bowls, golf or darts. Good post.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pro boxing:

    Accurate punching - ie landing the punches, landing more than your opponent, Dirrell outlanded Froch in every round
    Affective Aggression - missing punches is not affective aggression, so while aggressive Froch was ineffective
    Defense - getting tagged clean is not good defense by Froch, Dirrell made Froch miss 90% of his punches

    Walking forward, missing your punches and getting hit in the face should never be rewarded in boxing and thats all Froch did

    Whichever way you look at it Froch lost
     
  5. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Well if Dirrell is stupid for not counterpunching enough as some Froch-backers say, then Froch is stupid expecting the other fighter to stand in front of him trading... Froch needs to realise that he's limited and stop talking so much ****. Admit you had a though night and then stop with all the bad excuses
     
  6. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An awful spectacle.

    Some of the holier than thou `purists` will try and convince you they understand the sport more because they just adored all that nimble footwork, slippery defence and "intelligent" ring smarts (clinching, falling down etc) - and if that makes them feel better, good for them - but let's face it, for most people, boxing is about the thrill of two people beating each other up.

    The thing is, I predicted Dirrell to win because I was convinced that he'd bring strength and aggression at a higher level to match his athleticism - and the final rounds showed that this could be true.

    But most of that fight was tedious as hell, and I honesly don't give a **** if that makes me less of a `real` fan - if getting excited about evasiveness, holding and running is the mark of a real fan, I proudly adopt the title of casual fan."



    Both great posts. Incessant running and grabbing is not beautiful boxing and lots of purists don't think it is. One of the reasons why a lot of young folks are gravitating to MMA is because in MMA, if you grab, the other guy can maul you and pick you up and slam you down, fall on top of you and pound away. The runners and clutchers are allowed to take the fight out of fighting too often, with an assist from the judges and refs. I applaud the officials in this fight.
     
  7. Neverchair

    Neverchair Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first point we've already discussed.

    The second and third point isn't quite true. You make it sound like Froch just swung wildly the whole fight and Dirrell dodged every single one.

    Dirrell got hit hit plenty, hence the bloodied mouth and nose and later the swelling under the eye.

    It was a close fight but Froch won. (That is what happened isnt it!)
     
  8. valdez

    valdez Grand Champ Full Member

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    get the **** out of here nut hugger.. The only thing the that stinks the joint out is the score card you posted yesterday giving Froch the 11th and 12th..

    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  9. Predicto

    Predicto Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO, both guys (and the moronic ref) stunk the joint out!

    Froch's slow, ugly, awkward style and dirty tactics... combined with Dirrell's running, whining and negative spoiling made for a very boring, frustrating shitty "fight".

    I blame Dirrell more so,,, At least Froch (as lousy as he was) was trying to make a fight in there. Dirrell would have none of it.

    Either way,,, they really brought the whole night down in class. Niether should be proud.

    This touney has massive hype, and for the good of boxing it needs to produce great action-packed, fan-friendly fights! Not that garbage!

    I'm thinking it was a real mistake to put a pure runner like Dirrell on this big stage to represent the sport of boxing.

    Dana White should cut Dirrell a hefty check,,, because boring, safety-first, runner's like him are pushing combat-sport fans over to the UFC in droves!!!
     
  10. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    :good:good:good
     
  11. Dynamite Kid

    Dynamite Kid "I Must Break You" Full Member

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    Very good post:good
     
  12. silly_illy

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  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch did swing wildly and miss most the time or was made to miss, yes Dirrell get hit with a few but he hit Froch with far far more.

    No what happened was Dirrell outboxed Froch, I suspect you were a Froch fan or patriot pre-fight gunning for Froch, in fact most of the people who have it to Froch on here are either British fans (Im a Brit myself but dont become mindlessly biased towards Brit fighters) or hate defensive boxing. Even then 70% of fans have it to Dirrell!!!

    Bottom line intelligent unbiased opinion is in favour of Dirrell winning
     
  14. Wiirdo

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    I thought Dirrell owned the ring. Froch could barely touch him. 6-4 Dirrell, because of Dirrell's inactivity in some rounds.
     
  15. Borat

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    I just gained a lot of respect for HBO. How did Showtime enough idiocy to offer Ruiz II this opportunity is beyond me. The guy should not be fighting on national tv, boring huge audiences. This is ludicrous. If he does the same thing in his next fight, can he be dropped from the tournament?