Dirrell update

Not one of these are the official medical report you claimed to be going by. These are all news reports. I may be ******ed but I'm not the one that doesn't know the difference. Admit you lied. You are not going by the "official medical records" at all. You are picking and choosing your information just like I said you were.

Last chance. Show the "official medical records" you are going by or admit you lied. I suspect I'll see neither.

 

Dude, I don't know what the official medical diagnosis is but unless it is "Andre Dirrell deffinitely did not get knocked out or suffer a brain injury of any kind", I'd be pretty confident that what I saw is illigit. And frankly no doctor worth his salt would ever say that.

BTW, I definintely do feel I can sustain my opinion based on what I saw. Otherwise I never would have said anything. Thats my neutral oppinion.

I`m not sure what you`ve read but by the sounds of it you are probably mis-interpreting what you`ve read as proof that Andre Dirrell didn`t actually get that F'ed up by the shot he took. Which is fine. When it comes to interpreting doctors (or scientists for that matter) people often mistake the absence of an absolute for proof of a negative. It happens all the time (sorry if that was a little convoluted). But you should know I'm not that suprised the doctors couldn't find any evidence of a brain injury when they took him to the hospital DOESN`t change in anyway my interpretation of the situation.

I would; however, be pretty interested to hear their thoughts on the tape that shows Andre Dirrell's actions shortly after the fight. Obviously, they'd never voice them in any kinda of offical context.

The other thing I wanted to say is that based one of Hermit's posts it seem you may have been using the fact that scans were clean as proof that he didn't suffer a concussion. Its not well known but CT scans and MRIs can't diagnose concussions. They are used to pick up brusing/bleed on the brain. They can also ***** up lesions in serious longterm brain damage (i.e. what you get in pugulistic dementia). The only thing that is used (to my knowledge) to diagnose a concusion is (1) did the person lose consciousness. Which is kinda up for debate. And (2) a pretty non-specific check list of symptoms, which isn`t that good for diagnosing minor concusion. You can choose to believe me or not. Its all good.

BTW, you definitely did not come across as being offensive. Infact you seem quite respectful of what I had to say. I appericate that.

 

Dirrell faked it. Look at the video, he knew what he was doing.

Dirrell has a custom feather suit to play the chicken in the next Rocky movie.

 

I've been spending way too much time in front of the computer lately. The 'logic' and 'proof' being thrown around has made me snap I think.

Like I said earlier, that comment from Blaze and what his mother the physician saw in the matter just fits so nicely to what we can see in the footage. To continue to call Dirrell a coward looking for a way out of the fight is beyond the pale. I'm just going to start adding more and more of these guys to my ignore list and be done with it.

 

I wasn't the one claiming to be going off of the "official medical records" now was I. Now you in a way that attempts to belittle ME admit you don't have them and never have. What a surprise. Off to the ignore list with you. Alt account and a troll. :hi:

 

Dirrell had a party..............then called Hollywood for his award.

 

I will agree with you that Gary Shaw is probably over playing what the doctors said. But you should know that when the doctors say that Dirrell was okay and that he suffered a concussion, these statements are not mutually exculsive. He could have suffered a concusion and been neurologically okay by the time he reached the hospital. Hell most people that suffer minor concusions are nuerologically okay minutes later. I hope this helps.

 

Thats great.

I don`t care if you buy what I have to say or not. And to be honest I don`t much care what your professor med has to say either. That`s what I saw, thats my opinion. Take it or leave it. I`m not going to get offended if your basing your opinion on someother dudes assesment of the situation.

I was never saying that you were wrong. Or that whomever you were getting your info from was wrong. What I was giving you was my opinion. I don`t much care if you take it or not.

p.s. Even if this guy was a professor of whatever I do have enough confidence in my own abilities to be confident in what I saw.

 

There was no concussion, but they were responding to the skeptics. No concussion, no knockout and they know it. If Dirrell was hurt as badly as he was acting there would have been a concussion. Football players get concussions all the time, yet Dirrell had none. Go figure...............

 

Dude now your just not listening to what I`m saying. And if you keep that up I will stop talking to you. WHEN the doctors say that Dirrell was OK they are not saying that he didn`t have a concusion. What they are saying is that he was OKAY when they examined him. I've already told you about the scans and how they wouldn't show anything anyways. But apparently you've for got that too.

Now frankly I'm not saying that he had a concusion. But my guess it that he was knocked out and by definition that would mean that he did suffer at least a minor concusion. What I am saying (regardless of concusion or not) is that the way he was acting it seemed that he was showing symptoms that are hard to fake.

Yes Duche Gary is playing up the situation. I think we can agree on that. But what I am trying to get through your rather thick skull is that that doesn`t mean that dirrell wasn`t knocked into next tuesday by Abraham. Understand?

 

He can diagnose a conusion because no doctor would rule it out. Basically what I'm saying is that a doc said "a concusion may have happened", which is what Shaw is playing up. A doc didn't say that a serious concusion happened. Which means they found nothing on exam. We seem to be on the same level on this one. But after finding nothing the doctor apperently said that a concusion might have happened, which is perfectly reasonable and what I'd expect a doctor to do. So Gary takes that response and the say exactly that in a press conference but makes it sound like this is difinitive proof that Dirrell wasn`t faking it. This was a mistake (Gary is an idiot).

What I'm saying is that based on what I saw he actually did suffer a concusion (possibly a minor one) because it looked to me like he got knocked out. Which by definition means that he suffered a concusion. What you seem to be reaching for is that the fact that because the docs couldn't conclusively say he suffered a serious concusion or brain injury he was faking the whole thing. I am trying to tell you thats not the case. He could have been having those symptoms without having symptoms of a servere concusion. In which case nothing would have apperead on an exam. This doesn`t mean that Dirrell was faking it.

 

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Thanks for the info.

And just read in german newspaper, that AA said, Dirrell was KO. "I have ko´ed him"

How can he said this and on the other hand, he is a actor. Arthur Abraham is a poor loser.

 

I think Abraham made a mistake because he was beaten and frustrated, and i think Dirrell made a mistake and acted because he was under pressure and too emotional. No one is the hero, just two fighters who will do anything to win.......................and are too pride to tell the truth....................

And the next days we will hear promoter-spin from both camps...........................because the promoters are two players who will do anything to win..................and are to pride to tell the truth....................

Hell - even some, not many of cause, esb-boxing fans would say anything to "win"..........and to pride to tell the truth......

 

Welcome to ESB man:hi:

 

Then why can't he put together a coherent press release and put this to bed? That would stop a lot of hard feelings.