Discuss CONTEMPORARY (i.e, May 1900) accounts of Jeffries-Corbett I

10 -8 round do you think they were scoring like that?
You are wrong as usual about who was in front and, just as usual you can't accept it and won't admit it.

Question. If Jeffries corner thought he was either in the lead or level ,why did Brady throw Ryan out of the corner between the 20th and 21st rounds and scream at Jeffries," you are losing go in and mix it or you will lose your title"?:think



Nothing changes on Planet Mendoza , "where fact becomes fiction ,and fiction becomes fact ".

 

Mcvey,

You should get lost already. Pick another thread, Adam said it was anyone's fight before the ending, and he's your gold standard.

The NY times had it even prior to the KO. One of the own sources you listed also had Jeffries up if you score the fight they way they wrote it.

Your ignorant belief that Corbett was way out just prior to the knock out has been exposed.

 

No ,that's not what he said ,he quoted various papers because unlike you he does thorough painstaking research.You used to like to refer to him until he continually corrected you, now you don't mention him.


I have never said Corbett was way out in front, what I have done is produced next day papers that state he gave Jeffries a "boxing lesson" ",made him look like a novice,","embarrassed the champion ".


I produced those quotes from primary sources and also his manager William Brady's account.


Now do you want to answer the question?
IF JEFFRIES CORNER THOUGHT HE WAS IN FRONT OR LEVEL IN THE FIGHT WHY DID BRADY THROW RYAN OUT OF THE CORNER BETWEEN THE 20th AND 21st ROUNDS AND SHOUT AT JEFFRIES GO IN AND MIX IT OR YOU WILL LOSE YOUR TITLE YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOCK HIM OUT.


???????
Its in Brady's own autobiography, another book you haven't read.

WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY RAINMAN.

 

Still waiting!

 

"Although a slight majority felt that Corbett would have won a decision had it lasted the distance, there was no consensus."

Don't want to get involved in the worst back and forth here, but history has a nasty habit of often not being clean-cut and leaving so many things a trifle unclear.

The above conclusion seems based on the most extensive research available and I accept it as a reasonable bottom line.

 

Jeffries was the fresher after 20rds but he was 8 years younger and 30lbs heavier so hardly a surprise. Who would have won had the fight gone the distance is pure conjecture.
My stance is that Corbett was in front at the time of the stoppage and 4 newspapers and Jeffries own manager agree with me.


Mendoza still waiting for your reply as to why Brady told Jeffries to go for the ko or lose his title?

 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35415259?searchTerm=jeffries reminisce&searchLimits=

This is in relation to the second Corbett Jeffries fight. Interesting that in Jeffries own words, he tried (and succeeded) in outboxing corbett, even though Fitzsimmons who trained him for this fight had wanted him to massacre Corbett.

He does also say that Corbett (understandably, in reality) was shot by this time. It also seems like Jeffries feels that he was carrying Corbett a bit, in the second fight.

 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/79834460?searchTerm=jeffries reminisce&searchLimits=

Here is an interesting take probably more myth than factual in relation to the fight, as i doubt the author was there himself, but it does have Corbett winning the fight with Jeffries and having Jeffries ripe for the knockout, until Tommy Ryan saved the fight by getting to corbett and forcing him to change his style. A slightly different (though in truth not totally unbelievable) concept to the one bandied about that Ryan was hauled out and Jeffries changed his style. I do think it is believable that jeffries changed his style, because Corbett changed his.

 

From all credible sources that I have read, past prime Corbett was beating Jeffries up for the first 14 or so rounds quite handily until he fatigued. Fitzsimmons was beating Jeffries up too before he himself became winded. Jeffries greatest advantage was his big Neanderthal head that could take almost unless punishment until his opponent tired and then he could knock them out. The Boilermaker's boxing ability and punching power I believe was overrated.

 

Why exactly were these guys getting winded?

Could it be because Jeffries threw all his punches at the body, and practically didn’t know how to throw a shot to the head?

 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...-title=44|||l-decade=193|||l-category=Article

And finally here is Jeffries version of the Corbett Jeffries fight. Jeffries has Corbett winning the fight, and suggests that Corbett would have won a decision. Interestingly, contrary to the boxing reports, Jeffries says that he and friends bet on himself to win in 10 rounds and he tried to do so and then slowed after the 10 rounds and concentrated on trying to catch Corbett on the way in.

 

When Jeffries went on tour with Fitzsimmons he complained about Fitz hitting him too hard.Fitz told him to lose that silly crouch. It's easier to hit the body of an elusive boxer than catch him to the head, plus conventional wisdom says slow a fast man down with body shots.

NB Still waiting Mendoza!

 

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Why are you guys judging this fight by todays standards, using either rounds or points?? In those days fights were scored as an aesthetic whole, not on a rounds basis. Meaning a guy could win nine rounds of a ten round fight in a tepid manner and get brutalized in the tenth and lose the fight by some judges reckoning.

Adams point is absolutely correct that damage inflicted and how strongly one finished vs his opponent counted more than so-called "points."

The fact that the fight ended the way it did left no real room for debate in terms of how it was scored within the context of the day. One could conjecture "what-if" had Corbett survived but this scenario would pre-suppose that Jeffries simply got lucky and could or wouldnt continue to pour on pressure which is nothing more than fantasy.