Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

The first link was a interview from 1997. Where he says he trying to get the fight, i don't know what hbo would of made of the fight then but he was still supermiddle champ at the time.

I don't personally think roy was afraid to fight anyone on that list or anyone. But his career to me is definitely carefully crafted. Not going out of his way to get the big fight unless he really had to and if hes getting paid millions to fight lesser fighters why would you bovver. Its just disappointing because i personally believe he had the potential to be even better than he was. You could easily remove 20 of his bull**** fights/everything he did after ruiz and put in 4 big names from the mid 90's supermiddle/light heavy and his record is amazing you could argue he would of been goat.

 

Nick,

Thanks for the reply.

That's right, and I've got a huge amount of respect for him, for chasing the fight. Roy was at 175 then though.

The general opinion is like yours, in that he was very reluctant to take on big challenges. But there's lots of politics in boxing, and there were various reasons why certain fights didn't get made.

Roy definitely ducked/dismissed Steve and Micheal Nunn, but the other fighters were due to certain circumstances, as discussed earlier in this thread.

Eubank has admitted to not chasing big fights. He says Roy was never his mandatory, and he was happy with his contract at the time.

Don King wanted options on a fight with Benn. He wanted to tie Roy to a three fight deal, and Roy only wanted a one fight deal. Neither would back down, and Benn faded quickly after the negotiations. Fred Levin who was Roy's attorney/advisor in 1995, didn't want to deal with King. Frankie Liles was also a King fighter.

If you click on my first link, on post 280, you can see in more detail.

In post 78 of this thread, there's links that prove Roy tried to make the fight with DM. His advisor in 2001, Brad Jacobs, met with HBO representatives to try and negotiate terms, but they could never get DM's advisor to sit down and discuss terms. DM's advisor also refused the proposition of a double header to promote the fight.

As discussed Hop refused 40 per cent for the rematch, even though Roy had a win over him, and he'd have had to come down in weight for the fight.

Also in post 280 of this thread, there's a second link at the bottom of the page, which is an interview with Murad Muhammad, who was Roy's advisor in 2003, with F-Hype from 2010. Murad tells of how he tried to get Roy fights at heavy, with Holy, Lewis and Tyson.

Now can you imagine if he'd have fought Benn, Eubank, Liles, Hop, DM, Holy, Tyson or Lewis?

Roy wasn't half as reluctant as what people claim.

Fight fans get robbed of many great fights, and it's not always down to the fighters. Boxing is big business, and there's lots of politics involved.

Out of the above fights that were missed, I think that the DM fight, and the rematch with Hop, should definitely have been made.

Unfortunately they weren't, but it wasn't down to Roy. They turned down the opportunities, but yet Roy always seems to take the heat.

A reluctant fighter wouldn't start out at 154, and end up winning a belt at heavy, and becoming a four weight world champ in the process.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Everytime I say anything to Bailey, he leaves the site for a month.
I wonder what that's all about

 

Bull****!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hopkins ducked Roy

 

Big time ,why else would have he have waited til he was shot to fight him..And did anyone notice how he fought a shot JOnes ? Actions speak louder than words .

 

He also fought Thulani Malinga a fighter Benn lost twice against.

Jones' SMW resume isn't great but he wasn't a SMW fighter he fought in 4 different divisions, so his overall resume makes up for his SMW.

The only fighters Jones SHOULD have fought are Michalczewski and Benn. Dariusz was scared it's obvious and Benn just didn't want it bad enough...deal with it.


Middleweight

Jorge Castro
Bernard Hopkins
Thomas Tate

Super Middleweight

Thulani Malinga
James Toney
Tony Thornton
Merqui Sosa

Light Heavyweight

Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Eric Harding
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver

Heavyweight

John Ruiz


That's a pretty nice resume.

 

Hop went around telling everyone he was desperate for the fight, but he wouldn't agree to the 40%, which I'm sure would have made him a lot of money, even if he'd have given up a percentage of it.

There was no way he was getting 50/50. If he'd have held a win over Roy, and would have had to have come down in weight for the fight, then there's no way he'd have given Roy 50/50. Also, at the start of their fasmous argument on HBO, Bernard incredibly says to Merchant "He can't expect more money than me!" He was deluded. Then after a few mins, he said lets do 50/50. It wasn't going to happen.

Roy was the best fighter in the world and three weight champ.

If Hop had have wanted that fight as bad as what he told people, then he would have signed for it.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Great post!

When you analyse his resume, it's very good. It's a lot better than most other fighters that were around his weight class at the time. You can add his dominance of Gonzalez to the above list, and also note that he came back from 200 pounds to 175, to face a fired up hungry Tarver. Not many fighters could have done that.

Also, you have to look at the ease in which he beat most of the above fighters. It's not just the names, it's how he beat most of them.

A lot of those fighters had done good things before they lost to Roy, and a lot of them also went onto to do good things afterwards.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Amazing you brits never get tired of this ****. It's so boring.

 

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extensive boxrec calculations.:yep

 

Theres a video dummy, of Collins in the ring trying to hype a Jones fight, only for Roy to try and ignore him

You are mistaken. I think its because you are so irrelevant, I probably just dont notice your nothing posts very often. Like these ones. You havent added anything. Useless really

 

ha ha a subjectively bland response based on ignorance

 

Roy didn't avoid Collins, Collins avoided Roy.
Jajajajajajajajajajajaja.
Owned

Now that's just rude