Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

So are we agreed that Collins calling out Jones in 99, 2 years after Collins had retired as a SMW was not a duck?

 

Jones had already ducked/dismissed Collins in late 96. The stuff in 99 was more about a still-sizzling Calzaghe vs Collins matchup, until Collins collapsed in sparring. Jones showed how little interest he had in hyping a Collins matchup when he practically ignored him in that post-fight interview.

 

Thanks mate! :good

 

This article has a few interesting things in it.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...8oGYBw&usg=AFQjCNHtu1lAhg-zmZufpaPl5RzXOY4JTg

 

Good article

 

Yes, especially the part about DM.

This article and the great links that Zod has provided on the subject, are good enough for me, that DM didn't want to fight Roy.

 

It is enough. If you happen to be stupid enough to believe that DM wanted all the income from the fight for himself.

Too ****ing funny.

And Jones wanted 12M to fight DM BTW. A completely ridiculous sum that would only have been available to him if he fought Tyson. Some could argue that craving such an exorbitant amount of money is the same as saying: I don't want none.

 

DM ducked Roy

 

Jones was doing numbers similar to Mayweather pre-DLH....He never had that proven superstar to fight to elevate him. He did 600K against John Ruiz, a relative no name, but he was a much larger man. If Roy had gotten the Tyson fight, he would've been an enormous draw.

Add into that, he was a terrific gate draw. People would pay to see him in person, but would only pay if they thought it would be competitive.

 

It was the same condition that Evander was offered if he wanted to fight Jones.
Hence:

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/james-toney-reaches-for-glory1

You should take what Murad says with a pinch of salt

Holyfield was not going to accept those terms
Lewis had his own problems with Vitali and the WBC
Tyson refused to work with King in any shape or form

As it stated Jones had to keep King as a promoter as long as he defended the wba hw belt

The WBA wanted Jones to defend against his mandatory challenger which at the time was Vitali. K

Why did King end of promoting Tarver-Jones II?

 

Bat, you can believe whatever you want to believe. We've been through this a thousand times.

Look at Zod's links from post 78 of this thread.

Read them carefully, then look at DM'S resume. It's crystal clear to me, that Kohl and DM didn not want that fight.

It's funny, you trying to make a case that he wanted it, when Kohl wouldn't negotiate, arrange a double header, and then had DM fight Hall twice and Harmon, after Roy had toyed with them.

Read the above paragraph from the full interview, just before Roy said that. He was clearly frustrated and knew they wouldn't pay him that amount. Go and read the full interview, and then decide for yourself. He had no intentions of going to Germany, and he wasn't stupid, he knew they weren't going to pay him that. It was clearly said in a frustrated tone, out of anger, because nothing was happening at the time. Everybody wanted the fight, and Kohl wouldn't even start the ball rolling with an offer.

I'll put the interview back up if you want.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Do you know how Jones treated Levin over the Collins fiasco back in 99?

 

Tell me what happened in detail, if you don't mind.

It still doesn't change the fact that in 95, he was close to them, respected them, and listened to what they said. My only point, was that both Fred and Stan, didn't want to deal with King back then. That's all I was saying.

Also in the previous link that I posted, Fred was in the backgroung working with Murad for the Ruiz fight. So he worked with Fred four years after what happened with him or his brother in 1999.


Regards, Loudon.