Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

Refused to fight? You are obviously not aware of the circumstances under which DM was stripped. When you find out come back and retract that statement.

 

Bailey,

I'll try and find some. Not that it will make any difference with you.

I'm saying that HBO wanted the unification fight with Reggie over the Collins one.

Ha! Here's Otis popping up again. What's this got to do with anything? We're talking about the position that Collins was in in 1999.

Possibly. In 1999 Reggie was seen as a big fight. After Reggie, people associated DM has Roy's only other opponent that had the remaining belt. The longer the fight went without being mde, the more people talked about it. I agree that DM was the bigger fight in the end, but in 1999 I'm not so sure.

I mentioned it, because I know what you're like.

If Roy had've beaten Collins but not fought Reggie, what would you be saying now?

Probably something on the lines of "Collins had already being beaten by Reggie Johnson. Why didn't Roy fight the guy who beat Collins? The Collins win meant nothing."

I think that's a pretty good guess of what you'd have said. You can't win with guys like you. You wouldn't have been satisfied if he'd have beaten Lewis.

We know that you hold Eubank's losses to Thompson in higher regard than Roy's win over Ruiz.

It would have been in Britain wouldn't it. He'd just fought Benn and Eubank and was popular.

You're trying to wriggle out of the question.

Steve Collins was a great fighter. But in 1999 when he got in the ring with Roy, he'd done nothing for a while. Roy was fighting at 175, and his objective was to unify the division.

AT THE TIME, a fight with Reggie to unify at 175 was BIGGER than a fight with a retired 168 fighter.

Simple as that! That's not being disrespectful to Steve, but that's how it was AT THE TIME.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO, IS GO TO PAGE SIX OF THIS THREAD, AND LOOK AT POST 78.

I'm not going to re post it, when it will take you literally about 20 seconds to find it.

Page 6, post 78. How hard can that be?

Yes he was. Read up on it.

You admitted that Hop priced himself out, and didn't want the fight.

You then said, Roy didn't take up the offers of fighting those two guys. You were referring to Hop and DM, because Roy fought Reggie and Telesco.

So, if Hop priced himself out, there was no offer for Roy to take up was there?

You can can mention the Ring mag all day long.

When DM was pushed in an interview about when he was fighting Roy, the only thing he could say was "Talk to my management."

Brad Jacobs and the guys at HBO could never get to talk to Kohl, and he refused the idea of a double header which was stupid!

Mmm, I wonder why this was?


You also have this as well as the links on post 78.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CG0QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secondsout.com%2Fusa-boxing-news%2Fusa-boxing-news%2Fmurad-muhammad-jones-v-ruiz-is-99-done&ei=6-_JUIrRKamA0AW08oGYBw&usg=AFQjCNHtu1lAhg-zmZufpaPl5RzXOY4JTg


Also, we know what DM did after talks broke down.

He had the opportunity to fight Roy in America, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't interested. Talk is cheap. He can say anything to a magazine. When push came to shove, Peter Kohl never sat down with Jacobs and HBO to make that fight.

He stayed in Germany and continued to fight b class opposition who Roy had toyed with.

 

Uh maybe you should go back and look up the circumstances as to why he was stripped ..I was fully aware as to who were his mandos and why he was stripped.It seems more DM defenders love to over look certain facts when arguing this topic !When you get all the facts then maybe you can come back and retract your statements .

 

Read this slowly Loudon:

DM did NOT have the opportunity to fight Jones in the US.

You are making things up. He was maybe offered an undercard slot, but NEVER a Jones fight.

Prove me wrong!

 

Ok. Why was DM stripped?

 

The WBA stripped him for refusing to fight Lou Devalle the IBF stripped him for refusing to fight William Guthrie who was manged by King !But you should have know that why you asking me ?

 

How was it biased?

You've now been shown 4 articles, a video, and another article from earlier with Murad Muhammad.

You can also boxrec his resume whenever you like?

Ha!

WHAT MORE DO YOU POSSIBLY NEED??????????????

 

How much time did he get to make the defense?

 

Why the **** would I pretend to be from Sheffield if I wasn't??

Me and Knockout have had many discussions about Naz and how he's percieved in Sheffield, and we've discussed Herol and all of the other fighters from Brendan's gym and my mate who boxes called John Fewkes etc etc.

Go and ask him.

 

30 days BatTheLan, but even a bell end like you would know that :bbb:deal

 

Why it was biased?

Do you seriously believe that DM demanded all of the 6M for himself? I mean thats ridiculous. A joke!

 

Ha! you don't think Kohl was making an excuse? Really? It was a double header to promote the fight.

There was no reason on earth not to take the double header. It would have hyped the fight, got everyone buzzing, and they could have fought each other after and made big money.

If DM had've been interested Kohl would have jumped at the chance!

He refused the double header, then ended up fighting Hall and Harmon.

That's how SERIOUS they were about fighting Roy.

It doesn't take a lot of working out!

 

Wauw! A full 30 days! I wonder why DM didnt stage and promote the fight then. Plenty of time no?

NOT!

Imperial: That's not really a fair deal is it?

Tranny: You may leave now.

 

Was he or was he not offered a Jones fight? Simple question. Yes or no.