Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

Well I am here to have fun and perhaps learn a bit.

It was just that you said DM was offered a Jones fight. Now that we have established that he didn't let's move on.

Two important questions are raised by this:

1: How much was DM offered for this undercard slot?

2: Was there a guaranteed shot at Jones after this fight? Knowing that Jones was near impossible to negotiate, that would be a key-point if I was manager.

 

How was the competition to get stiffer? Dawson lost to Pascal, Tarver was easily handled by Hopkins who Calzaghe beat. Who else was there? Nobody.
Thats owned boy

You bet, you still didnt answer my example to it.
Why are Wards team calling out 40 year old, 4 years retired Calzaghe, when they could have fought a unification with Bute? You know why!

Took you a long time to find the answer Loudon.
Tell me which fighters who werent world champs from back in the 90s that you can recall, who came from Sheffield.
Quick answer, not a long search

Fighters that DM refused to fight. Like who? Rocchigiani, oh no that was Jones , who didnt want to fight the Rocch or DM

 

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Replied to this, but computer went down.
In short I was reffering to Collins and DM not Hopkins, I dont think Hopkins wanted it.
Rest is a bit weak and you dodged the O Grant example as if that fight never happened.
Odd you dont remember Collins in the papers, looking for a Jones fight and it being hyped, strange you dont recall these things

 

So you couldnt answer Bats questions and you cant debate against how DM was stripped and only given 30 days after just beating the champ, before he would have to defend that title.
Loudon will come out with something ridiculous about he could have fought in America against a nobody for less money and no title or something stupid

 

Quick reply Loudon. Tell me what fighters from the 90s can you recall, who were not world champs, but quite big in Sheffield

 

Loudon, this bat the man goomba is trolling you something horrible. He knows the details, and hes just trying to wind you up cos you're a fan of Roy.

 

1. They never got that far, because it was instantly dismissed.

2. Why else would they have wanted the double header?

It's safe to assume that they'd have discussed details of the fight, before they went through with the double header.

If DM wanted Roy, and the double header would have promoted the fight, then why would Kohl have turned it down? He was a successful businessman. There was only one reason for turning it down, and it's obvious what that reason was.

 

If Ward fought Calzaghe now, he'd be derided left and right by everyone in the boxing industry(and rightfully so) for fighting a long retired fighter.

By the way,do you at leaqst admit that Ward is the man at SMW,now that hes easily beaten 3 of the top 5 SMW in the world?

You deride what Toney did at 168...tell me,what did Collins do at 175?

And thats when he was fighting...let alone when he had been retired for 2 years.

Instead of fighting Collins, Jones went on to fight someone who was still active(Collins wasnt), a light heavyweight champ(something Collins never was) and who had a win over Collins!

Also when Collins did come back for what many believed was a warm up match,after which he'd fight Jones, he collapsed in training.

 

This is why you should stick to Joe Calzaghe topics ! If you don't know than there is nothing more to discuss !

 

Bat here is the quote :

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Dariusz:+I'll+drop+IBF+title.-a061088644



Record Breaker Dariusz Michalczewski has revealed why he may abandon one of his titles - he doesn't want to do business with DON KING.

The newly crowned WBO, IBF and WBA light heavyweight champion is also furious at being forced to fight TWICE within 45 days.

A court ruling has allowed No. 1 challenger William Guthrie to demand a championship fight before July 19th.

Now Michalczewski - the first man in history to own all three belts at his weight - has threatened to abandon the IBF title.

The Polish-born German's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him."

Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA.

Undefeated WBO champion Michalczewski won the IBF and WBA crowns after destroying Virgil Hill in a 12- round thriller on Friday night.

Michalczewski, who has 28 knockouts to his credit and 34 straight victories, pounded Hill from the third round.

And in the end succeeded in pulling off one of boxings greatest upsets with a unanimous decision.

North Dakota fighter Hill was left gutted with the shock defeat - only the second of his career.

His last defeat was to Thomas Hearns SIX years ago.

 

The title of the thead says fighters Jones ducked... So i am assuming fighters you list would be a duck?:huh

And I have heard the Toney weight excuse many times and been over it many times, it is bull****.. Roy Jones beat the crap out of him while he was considered one of the best fighters in the world, nothing would change that. He deserves credit for it.

 

You make me laugh.

I've been out earlier. I'm not sat at my PC all night, and I'm trying to answer my replies in order.

I'm now 32, and nearly 33.

I grew up watching Herol, Naz, Ryan Rhodes, Johnny Nelson etc. I can remember the full monty from the arena in 97, and when Rhodes lost to Grant in 98.

When I was about 15 Brendan had Pele Reid a former kick boxer who was exciting to watch, but he fizzled out.

Buster Keeton is respected as is Clinton Woods. Glynn Rhodes used to fight from Brendan's stable but he never fulfilled his potential. When he retired he became a trainer and he trained Herol for his comeback in the mid 90's.

He's now a successful promoter and trainer in Sheffield and he has Ross the Boss Burkinshaw in his stable as well as my mate John the Fireball Fewkes, who made his comeback last week in Barnsley after two years out.

Please tell me what I've ever said, what's made you doubt that I'm from Sheffield?

By the way, when Brendan moved to Sheffield in the 60's, he stayed with my aunty and uncle for a while, before he got set up.

He was always extremely grateful to them, and he once attended my aunts birthday party in the 80's.

I could have walked through the doors of the gym at Wincobank whenever I wanted, and I'd have been welcomed with open arms. But my mum and Dad never wanted me to go. They wouldn't even get me a punchbag. Ha!

I can remember thinking in 98, that I should down, just for fitness. But I was embarrassed and I thought I was too old, and I'd get laughed at. What an idiot! It's the worst mistake I ever made.

So there you are.

Why would Zod pretend to be from Leeds?

 

Good old British documentary on Roy Jones.

Reminds people of just how highly regarded he was back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbqwGz7xkkU

 

Of course I remember, but it wasn't big news in America.

You know that Collins wasn't going to get a shot in 99.

How many more times?

He was a retired 168 fighter.

Reggie was the IBF 175 champion. After Frazier people wanted a unification match with Reggie.

Who in the States would have wanted Roy to fight Collins instead?