Discuss fighters Jones Jr ducked in his prime

Bailey,

Trying? I answered.

Out of a possible one?

You would have thought that Bute would have entered the super six.

He was 19 days from his 34th birthday, when he first beat a top undefeated fighter. Andre is only 28. So Joe was nearly 6 years older.

Joe hadn't beaten ANY top undefeated fighters at Andre's age.

And he was 35. So he was 7 years older than what Andre is now. Amazing!

He'd just won the super six, that Bute wasn't a part of.

Eubank was nearly at the end of his career, he struggled against Reid, and had a stinker against Starie.

Andre's just outclassed Froch with an injured hand.

That's exactly what you're doing.

Joe didn't beat Lacy and Kessler at 28.

So lets do a comparison between both fighters at 28, and I'll ask you a question.

At 28, how many top undefeated fighters had Joe beaten?

The answer is NONE!

Yes you have. You're asking the same two questions over and over and over again.

Joe is only coming out on top, because as things stand, he's got a 20 fight advantage over Andre.

If you weren't comparing stats from Joe's entire career, then you would not be able to keep asking your two ******ed questions.

Because you know that when Joe was at Andre's age, he too HADN'T had any top wins over undefeated fighters.

Let's repeat that, because it's making you look silly.

Joe at 28, hadn't beaten any top undefeated fighters!

Andre's just easily won the super six at 28.

In Joe's 28th year, he was having a hard time with David Starie.

In his 29th year, he was fighting Will McIntyre.

The stuff of legends!

You've just been pawned, schooled and owned. :good


Everytime you ask these two ridiculous questions, I'm going to copy and paste this answer.

So the more times you ask them, the dafter you'll look!

You'll end up self pawning! Ha!

 

Why would I copy and paste everything again, when you can simply find them yourself?

The more you keep asking, the dafter you look!

You're telling everybody who's reading this thread, that you're incapable of finding two posts that are numbered. atsch

What's with the Sheffield thing all of sudden?

 

Your're telling everyone that you cannot go back and copy and paste those links, or maybe that you dont have enough faith in those links to put your name to them, which it seems would be the most likely. Thats makes you look daft that you are swearing by them, but too nervous to put your name to them , when asked up fron by me

 

Mario Veit was never at any point a "top class" boxer.

When he first fought Calzaghe and was undefeated, what was his best win???
Seriously Id really like you to answer that question.

Also whats the big deal over undefeated anyway??

Nearly all the best fighters in the world have losses on their record.

Pacquiao
Marquez
Martinez
ALL have a number of losses on their record.

Just because you've protected you "0" long enough to get a title fight by fighting nobodies, doesnt mean you're any good.

Case in point...Mario Veit, who had literally fought NO ONE above club fighter level when he first fought Calzaghe!

The fact that he was undefeated MEANT NOTHING!

 

...I also cant help notice that you referred to Will Mcintyre as "top notch fighter"

Tell me...who was the best fighter that McIntyre beat,that would make you label him "top notch"

 

Undefeated fighters often tend to have a confidence that once damaged they can often not look the same, many felt that in Butes first fight back as an example

The win Calzaghe had over Veit was a very good victory.
The first time Calzaghe beat Veit, Veit was 30-0 and hadnt beaten anyone of real note, hence he was blown away in a round by Calzaghe.
When Calzaghe beat Veit a 2nd time Veit was an accomplished world rated 45-1 fighter who had some solid victories behind him, and was top 10 rated and was the WBO int SMW champ.
Veit had beaten undefeated Dziarra who wasnt a great fighter but did go on to beat L Mock and undefeated M Oral who would go on to challenge MW champs A Abraham and S Sylvester recently.
Veit had also beaten beaten undefeated Guerrero for the European union title.
Veit beat future title challenger Salem and Mock.
Veit also beat world rated C Brewer with an educated destructive 9th round KO to win the WBO int title.
A note on Veit. He only ever lost to world champs or fighters who became world champs and has victories over Mock, Salem, Perdermo (a future Kessler challenger), Brewer when Brewer was world rated and Veit beat undefeated 27-0 Braehmer who won WBO LHW champ and never lost the title in the ring.
A good Calzaghe victory over a mandatory world class SMW
Also a great away victory for Calzaghe in Germany

 

No I didnt

Think you should read a bit more carefully

 

Dziarra???? Who was Dziarra's biggest win?
Guerrero???? Who was Guerreros biggest win?
Brewer who NINE losses on his record?

Perdome whop went on to fight Kessler? Just because Kessler chose Perdomo for a tune up fight doesnt make him any good!

Lolenga Mock? The guy has a record of 30-13-1!!!!!

Of course Veit only lost to tp fighters, because everyone else he fought was completely **** when he fought them!

The only mildly decent win was against Brahemer which was controversial, and he got KO'd in 4 when they fought thereafter.

 

Is it explained why some tosspot mentioned James Toney? bballchump or something i think he was

 

I don't really have the energy to really take part in this type of thread (

This content is protected

) anymore. I'll pm you the answers to your questions some other time.

 

Bailey,

Haha! Was it Andre's super six?

Was he responsible for the draw? Did he personally arrange all the fights. Dirrell and Froch fought each other. Was that at Andre's request? Did he say I don't want to fight those guys?

It doesn't matter if he wasn't let in, or he chose not to go in. He wasn't in the tournament, and now you're holding it against Andre. It's not enough for you that he just easily won the tournament. Even if he'd have beaten Bute, you still wouldn't give him any credit.

A great win for Joe, but that's not the point. The point is you're using the wins he had against Lacy and Kessler, when he was in his mid 30's, as a stick to beat Andre with, and it's just sad.

Of course you don't think it was that special. But if Joe had've won the super six in the same manner, I'm sure you'd have creamed your pants, and you be on here with a tribute thread everyday!

So what?

Poor Joe.

Yeah it was fantastic! What about his stinker against Thornberry too, that made sent the U.S. fans to sleep?

Ha! Why are we examining what Carl has done?

What did he do after Ward had outclassed him? He destroyed Bute.

So what do you think?

Was Bute a hype job, or a good win? Is Carl a good fighter or not? Does Andre not deserve any credit for winning the tournament?

Yes, but again you're using Joe's best two wins against Andre.

There's no need to do a comparison.

They weren't TOP undefeated fighters.

The two questions that you keep asking over and over again, have got nothing to do with an age to age comparison.

Joe's wins against top two undefeated fighters, came when he was nearly 34, and 35.

You're only doing an age to age comparison NOW!

You haven't been doing that for the last three months, when you've been copy and pasting the same questions over and over again.

Once again, you're only doing that now.

If you had been doing a comparison between both fighters at 28, you WOULD NOT be able to ask your questions.

No he hadn't, because Delaney and Veit were NOT top fighters. They were good wins and nothing more.

I'm a twat? It's you who thinks Delaney and Veit were top fighters! Ha!

Your boy Joe nearly bottled against Lacy, till Frank threatened him. This is the guy who chased Roy! Ha!

That's only your opinion.

Joe had a tough time with Bika.

Wow! Unbelievable!

What's with the sheffield thing? This is the 3 rd time I've asked.

 

It makes me look daft?

You're trying to argue against things that you haven't even seen. Most other people on this thread have seen them. So when you try to put up a fight, how do you think it makes you look?

You want me to copy and paste up all of the links, when I've given you the post numbers and the page numbers? Ha!

There's only one reason you won't take 20 seconds to find them.

 

Ok mate. That's nice of you, thanks. I'll be interested to read them.

Apparently, you've been pretending to be from Leeds?

Apparently, I've also been pretending to be from Sheffield?

According to Bailey, we're both lying!

 

Out of curiosity, how would you see a fight going between 45-1 Veit vs. Jones Jr from the Toney fight?