Discuss: The Most 'Limited' ATG Ever?

In terms of where he could take the fight. In terms of the different avenues he could explore in any given matchup.

His own style was rounded of course, if he wasn't doing what he did perfectly he wouldn't have been as good as he was. But he could do little else.

One dimensional would've been a better way of putting it, in terms of his own style he was well rounded. But it was a limited style.

Makes it all the more amazing of course.

 

Have a word mate.

 

I dont see that at all, to me he is very well rounded. I mean in every aspect of technique he is well versed in everything and uses it.

Like the Avelar fight he is aggressive but countering with it, then in the Gonzalez fight hes on the counter.

 

That's not my point, I'm just trying to put it in the simplest of terms for those not well versed with Grebs ability.

Walker did get ****ed up by Schmeling. Walker was also a ranked Heavy for years. My point is not that Walker even won a round off Schmeling, but that was competitive (really gave it a go, cannot be denied) with a man who at one point was the best Heavyweight in the World.

And yes Walker exaggerated a lot, but he gave plaudits to Greb, and the reports show that, in the 14th round in particular, Walker got absolutely battered. Greb was far the better fighter.

Far the better fighter than a man who should've held the Welter, Middle and Light Heavyweight championship of the World and took on men of any size. Far better than a bona fide ATG. So I think I made my point pretty well and without much hassle.

 

Already noticing a theme. Pretty certain that my description of him is exactly the same as what you're saying.

I wouldn't say he's all that aggressive against Avelar, he just has more opportunities to step in and out against a big target, a much slower man and someone whose punches he can read much easier because they're fairly telegraphed (Canto was of course tough as nails as well as elusive). Great performance (I love Avelar as well, one of the hardest punchers in Fly history without a doubt) but there's no real stylistic shift in Cantos approach there IMO.

 

Tunney was a ****ing brilliant fighter, but from what I can see he and Greb probably should've ended up 2-2-1. Or Tunney would be 3-2-1.

Good mover, fast feet and hands, could time his right hand well, was not completely elusive and could stand his ground due to a stout chin, but was more than anything a very intelligent fighter.

 

Rjj.

 

Muhammed Ali after his comeback had lost enough of the speed that made his style so effective that a less tough and strong willed man would of crumbled in that company, yet he still proved himself the best heavyweight in the best era despite no longer being the speed demon he once was.

 

Elaborate please.

 

Rocky Marciano.

Small physique for a heavyweight with very short arms.
Slow, clumsy & awkward looking.
He fought against larger, faster & technically superior opponents & went 49-0 fighting the only way he could.

 

Marciano is a good shout. He did have some subtle nuances (head movement for instance) but maximised his physical gifts; toughness, stamina, strength; and went through one of the most skilled, stylish and dangerous crops of warriors that ever lived.

I love the way he worked out of the crouch. Once he was in full flow you'd need to get out of his way.

 

Technically limited but got away with it by being physically "superhuman"?

 

I don't see it myself.

Single shots; combinations; jab; power; movement; foot/handspeed; finishing ability; body punching; his shot selection and unbelievable radar.

Sure, like Clay, Roy broke all the rules because he has supreme athletic gifts compared to his peers. But 'most limited ATG'? Not IMO.

 

Duran struggled with movers ;-)