A lot of youngsters get all emotional and lose perspective. I quite enjoy watching them flap. It got like the general at the weekend though, there was that much oestrogen flying around. :smooch Good post. Respect to both fighters, great fight.
Not a problem, I had to say something after the disrespect posters were giving him. I know its just after the fight, but he does sound damaged in that video. It was a proper beating and I hope he makes the right decision afterwards. The problem is PPV numbers make sense for the rematch, and fans care little about boxers health. He's given his all, including this torturous fight. Yes I feel for Groves, but he's young and will get plenty opportunities to being World Champions, he's already nearly there. As for the Ward rematch, is there any point apart from pride?
I agree with your first point, which is why I'm so gutted the fight was stopped...I genuinely don't know if Carl has it in him to get into that position again, or whether Groves will make the same mistakes that allowed Carl to get a foothold. The fight should have ended with a Froch KO - in my opinion - either later in that round, or next round and everyone would have said 'F*ck me, Froch is a hard *******, fair play to him for finishing the job, but that Groves kid is something special'. Experience would have won over youth, and Carl can take one final fight before retiring. Or even just retire if the outcome was non-debatable. As for Ward. Hmmm... no, there's no real point apart from pride, but IF - and it's a big if - Froch was only concussed or something in that interview, and not showing signs of being punch drunk...why not? I mean, he's already got an L against Ward - and he would be fighting for the 'Beat Everyone He Ever Faced' accolade. Who knows, if he KNEW it was his last fight, win, lose or draw, then maybe he could go and dig deep one last time and go out in a blaze of glory one way or the other?
If he doesn't retire the Ward rematch might be best. Groves rematch is winnable, but he might take more hellacious punishment, be behind and would have to go to the well again for the KO. Fighting Ward is like Hatton fighting Mayweather and Pacquiao - no real shame losing to the best. But Hatton losing to Witter would have been five times worse.
Actually, one of the other things that has really pissed me off is the way people are going on about McCracken as well...I mean, COME ON..!!!!! He is one of the straightest shooters in boxing, has almost single handedly turned around amateur boxing in the UK and been responsible for our best position in World Boxing for over 50 years. The guy is hugely underrated, even now, and NEVER EVER talks rubbish. He's also not one to spout the party line. Make no mistake, he has Froch's best interests at heart, and will NOT allow Carl to fight on if he isn't up to it.
Completely agree. I think if he takes the Groves rematch and wins, he'll likely have to have dug so deep that he retires on the spot. At least he's given himself an out if he doesn't face Ward - all the 'Ward will probably go his whole career without being beaten' comments. If he faces Ward, and I've a suspicion he might go for it as he's allowed a voluntary defence, then as you say there's no shame in losing. He could even promise a Groves rematch after a Ward rematch. But should he lose, I wonder how much Groves would want to fight him again for no titles...what do you think? Would Groves take a rematch for pride alone, or would he only go through a fight like that again if there were titles at stake? Genuine question...
Read lots of posts saying Froch is a bully and general scumbag etc What exactly this based on? Has he done something that I'm not aware of? I cant see what the bloke has done wrong other than go on a bit of a ramble post fight when he probably had a concussion. He didn't stop the fight so he cant be blamed for that and he doesn't seem to be anymore arrogant than many other fighters. He's brilliant for British boxing isn't he?
Good post. No one knows for sure, but Froch could have been 10 seconds away from an uncontroversial stoppage. As you say, it was taken away from him, just as Groves opportunity to become champion was taken away.
froch isn't just arrogant, he is completely delusional in his perceptions of himself, he's a hypocrite, and spouts utter garbage whenever put in front of a camera. He's not even funny with it like Fury either. saturday night was NOTHING like lewis - klit, because that stoppage was legitimate. Vitali's eye was in a disgusting state and should have been stopped cos his health was in potential danger. Groves was in no danger at all. This whole "another 10 secs" bull**** is just your typical Hearn attempt to placate the masses and cover his arse. In short, fans that booed Lennox that night were wrong, fans that booed froch were not.
I don't think the Groves rematch gets made if it's not the next fight... unless Groves wins one of the other world titles and it becomes a unification. If Froch fights Ward and loses, think he'll retire. If he fights Chavez or Golovkin and wins, think he'll go to Ward. If he loses to Chavez or Golovkin and loses, think he retires probably, unless he's tempted if Groves or Degale are a champion at the time.
Just started a similar thread (mine was nowhere near as long or as good) The entire Froch hatred thing has left me puzzled. You couldn't find a fighter who more encompasses what a champion should be. Fans moan about champions ducking fights, not being aggressive enough blah blah. Froch is and has always been a complete warrior. He has done more for British boxing than virtually anyone. We should be proud of him. Jesus. The man has done nothing wrong at all. Be angry at the promoters, the ref but ffs sake give Froch a break.
Yes. They were. The dude was concussed, admitted to not remembering he'd even been put down, and he's suddenly supposed to be able to give some Churchillian speech? Groves was in no danger? Why did he do such a good job of looking like a ****ing panda then?
I agree that some of his spiel has become old, but he speaks the truth. You might prefer footballers reading from a script, but Froch says what he thinks. Do you think if he didn't have that huge ego of belief that he could have come back and won against more skilled boxers when behind?
he had a few bruises on his face, but they are not the same as a cut or an angulo / lebedev type of swelling froch was talking nonsense at the post fight and wouldn't shake groves's hand. Only did after the fans started booing, Carl is a mug.