Dispelling The Mayweather Myth

fytelod · Dec 21, 2009

Floyd scored points by touching his opponents. There's not much power behind those touches, it doesn't inflict damage.

Floyd's style is great for amateurs too.

Phenix · Dec 21, 2009

fytelod said: ↑

Floyd scored points by touching his opponents. There's not much power behind those touches, it doesn't inflict damage.

Floyd's style is great for amateurs too.
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Quarteysjab · Dec 21, 2009

Boy if he ran against Baldomir, he is gonna sprint away when Pacquiao comes after him. but floyd will not be able to hold off Pacquiao - he doesn't have the power or guts. his skills only work against B fighters, Pac is a totally different animal.

this fight is going to be easy. we will see why floyd desperately wanted the matt hatton time waster.

floyd is doomed.

pretty boy · Dec 21, 2009

Great article.

Rudyard · Dec 21, 2009

Quarteysjab said: ↑

Boy if he ran against Baldomir, he is gonna sprint away when Pacquiao comes after him. but floyd will not be able to hold off Pacquiao - he doesn't have the power or guts. his skills only work against B fighters, Pac is a totally different animal.

this fight is going to be easy. we will see why floyd desperately wanted the matt hatton time waster.

floyd is doomed.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl Buxer at it again!:rofl

Phenix · Dec 21, 2009

Quarteysjab said: ↑

Boy if he ran against Baldomir, he is gonna sprint away when Pacquiao comes after him. but floyd will not be able to hold off Pacquiao - he doesn't have the power or guts. his skills only work against B fighters, Pac is a totally different animal.

this fight is going to be easy. we will see why floyd desperately wanted the matt hatton time waster.

floyd is doomed.
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Baldomir outweighed Floyd by 10 pounds. Oscar outweighed Floyd 10 pounds, and Castillo outweighed Floyd by 9.5 pounds and he won. Has Pac had a fight that he was outweighted by 9 or 10 pounds?

sdsfinest22 · Dec 21, 2009

Rooney said: ↑

By Pleas Kavanaugh

The hotly anticipated battle between undefeated American phenom Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Filipino legend Manny Pacquiao is a fight of unparalleled stature, featuring two stylistically opposed combatants who have incited an unprecedented cascade of commentary and criticism, from frenzied fans and experts alike, regarding every aspect of the fight; from potentially major stumbling blocks, such as who is most deserving of the lions share of the purse, to trivialities like which name should be read first on the marquee.

Among these many rather curious opinions floats the suggestion that while Floyd may technically defeat his Asian counterpart if he chooses to run for the duration of the fight, the only way he can achieve a moral victory is to concede to the proverbial backyard brawl and go, quite uncharacteristically, toe to toe or blow for blow. Rest assured, neither Floyd nor any other fighter on Earth, for that matter, care nearly as much for moral victories as they do literal ones. But personal preference aside, the suggestion that one style trumps another by the mere whim of the crowd leaves too much to be desired from a purest standpoint to go unaddressed and, furthermore, suggests a gaping miseducation of the nature of the worlds oldest and greatest game.

For the record, whether or not Mayweather will attempt to employ his elite ring generalship and potshot his way to an easy decision or elect to remain inside and counterpunch off that patented Michigan shoulder roll will likely remain a mystery until fight night. But the reality is that Team Mayweathers fight strategy is its own prerogative. What might be addressed here is the recent characterization of Floyd Mayweather Jr. as a runner. While interpretation should always remain a most subjective thing, cold hard statistics have an uncanny propensity to speak for themselves.

In a welterweight title bout versus Carlos Baldomir, a fight often touted by critics as an example of Floyd Mayweathers propensity to run, the Grand Rapids native landed some 43% of his total punches, allowing his opponent a dismal 12%. He landed 120 more punches than Baldomir, while throwing 212 less. Needless to say, Mayweather pitched a one-sided shutout that was more clinic than contest, even as both commentators and crowd alike offered stern criticism of his unwillingness to mix it up.

Versus Zab Judah, perhaps Mayweathers first opponent of near equal athleticism, Floyd was able to outland his opponent more than 2 to 1 on his way to an easy decision victory.

In his welterweight match with Juan Manuel Marquez, another fighter celebrated for his defensive prowess and economical punching, Mayweather landed some 59% of total punches while permitting Marquez to land only 12%.

These statistics are not indicative of a man more inclined to evade than engage, but describe a pugilist who has incorporated the most fundamental understanding of the sweet science into his form inside the ring. In doing so, he is perhaps doomed to suffer the same fate as other greats to have demonstrated such a profound knowledge of ring generalship and defense.

To the bloodthirsty fans chagrin, masters of elusion often mute the drama of a good brawl. When one expects brutality, precision bewilders. And the technicians unwillingness to conform to expectation gets mistaken for fear when it is actually good old fashioned intelligence which has ruled the day. When the fight is done and the lust for blood remains unquenched, the disgruntled fan slumps out of the arena perhaps feeling a bit tricked.

Amongst a fan base of knockout junkies where a fundamentally bankrupt Mike Tyson was able to flourish nearly a decade past his prime in the desperate hope of bloody carnage on fight night, masters like Pernell Whitaker and Roy Jones Jr. were often chided by causal fans for their ability to go about their work in the ring in an almost casual fashion; an ability facilitated expressly by defensive prowess. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the most elusive and economical fighter in the world and thus, a reinterpretation of the evidence offers perhaps the slightest of adjustments when the contemporary casual boxing fan just might have lost his way.

While there are infinite ways in which a pugilists objective can and might be accomplished, there has been a general progression in the understanding of the fundamental nature and applications of the sweet science if not since the days of Apollonius and Ulysses, then undoubtedly since the Marquess of Queensberry. In all that time, from those days until this, the singular uncontested resolution of the game is:

Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit.

Whether that objective is accomplished through the use of clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship or defense or any combination therein is to be determined entirely by a fighters own estimation of his mental, emotional and physical capacity as a human being.

There is nothing else.
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EXCELLENT ANALYSIS!:good

sdsfinest22 · Dec 21, 2009

quarteysjab said: ↑

boy if he ran against baldomir, he is gonna sprint away when pacquiao comes after him. But floyd will not be able to hold off pacquiao - he doesn't have the power or guts. His skills only work against b fighters, pac is a totally different animal.

This fight is going to be easy. We will see why floyd desperately wanted the matt hatton time waster.

Floyd is doomed.
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styles make fights...pac is nothing like carlos lol...in terms of size he is way smaller

nipplefloss · Dec 21, 2009

crimson said: ↑

Next time use statistics to prove the point and not trivialize it.

What does being a runner has to do with high accuracy?

Also, when you use statistics that say your man punch less then your whole theory of not a runner is NOT being supported is it? It is the punch thrown that can be argued to be more relevant than accuracy. Unless you don't understand the term 'runner' is in the boxing world?

Third, using a thesaurus is a cheap way to pad your essay and looks transparently pretentious.

You would have received a C+ in a senior high school class for this.
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If you felt that anything in that article required a thesaurus then the educational system has failed you, and failed you badly.

crimson · Dec 21, 2009

nipplefloss said: ↑

If you felt that anything in that article required a thesaurus then the educational system has failed you, and failed you badly.
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I am sorry that reading comprehension is not your strongest skill.

bandeedo · Dec 21, 2009

aaron said: ↑

:rofl Is the name of this sport boxing or punishment? Well I guess if you are Freddie Roach it is called punishment.
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what the hell does one have to do with the other? if i said he doesnt punch enough would you put up an emoticon and ask if its called punching or boxing? you actually laughed as if you believed you were being clever, doofus.

charlievint · Dec 21, 2009

mancat said: ↑

Thanks for the response. I've heard Larry Mearchant say that PBF averages about 49% connect percentage, and his opponents average about 21%. I am interpreting that to mean that he also outlands his opponents as well as having a better connect%. What fights, besides JLC 1, has he been outlanded?
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No problem bro.....Jesus Chaves landed more...he threw more and landed at a lower connect percentage.....If I recall...I know for sure Hatton threw more and may have landed more than floyd but not by much.

BigReg · Dec 21, 2009

charlievint said: ↑

No problem bro.....Jesus Chaves landed more...he threw more and landed at a lower connect percentage.....If I recall...I know for sure Hatton threw more and may have landed more than floyd but not by much.
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Neither Hatton or Chavez outlanded Floyd.

charlievint · Dec 21, 2009

BigReg said: ↑

Neither Hatton or Chavez outlanded Floyd.
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Someone posted a while back the punch stats for Floyd and Chavez and I recall his connect percentages were very low but he threw a far punches at floyd. Floyd as usual was economic and accurate but that is nothing new. I'm going to look it up.....And I was just guessing with Hatton...I just knew the kid defintly was out hussling Floyd but landing in a very low percentile. Carolos hernandez may have outlanded Floyd as well....not sure.

BigReg · Dec 21, 2009

charlievint said: ↑

Someone posted a while back the punch stats for Floyd and Chavez and I recall his connect percentages were very low but he threw a far punches at floyd. Floyd as usual was economic and accurate but that is nothing new. I'm going to look it up.....And I was just guessing with Hatton...I just knew the kid defintly was out hussling Floyd but landing in a very low percentile.
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I looked up both. Hatton was outlanded by a 2/1 Margin. Chavez threw a little more than twice as many punches as Floyd but still landed a little less.

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