Disputed Injuries

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  1. The Senator

    The Senator Active Member Full Member

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    Over time, I've noticed that the stories have either been questioned from the start or have been revised over time concerning claimed injuries in a number of fights. The two examples I can think of are Baer's broken hand suffered before the Louis fight and Cerdan's injured shoulder after LaMotta threw him to the mat.

    For years, I've assumed the verity of both of those narratives, but have seen each questioned here, which then brings me to ask the question: what other injuries have simply been passed along for decades (or shorter) in the narrative, but are now being disputed?
     
  2. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never really looked into Pacquiao’s injury against Mayweather, I’m sure other people can confirm it for me.

    Hopkins against Dawson was interesting one, it looked like he thought F that let’s go again next time, but again I’ve never looked into it
     
  3. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    re: the topic " disputed injuries " maybe some clarification is needed , well at least on my part ? is the premise then the claims of Bear/Cerdan are false , because if it is, my thought process would be, how do we know they were lying ( if that is the central point ) and more importantly how can we prove that to a satisfactory conclusion so long after the incidents ?

    Ok, I get that maybe Bear was not being truthful , to shore up the fact he would-have maybe beaten Louis if he had 2 good hands ( unlikely ) do not get that Cerdan would lie about the severity of his injury ( early in the fight ) because on the reports I have read, the arm was then used sparingly for the remainder of the joust, so surely his mind set was not, I know, I will not use the arm to its best effect, then in the event of losing ( which he most certainly would have, and did ) I can put forward the reason I lost, was because of the fall and subsequent injury. Me thinks not.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There are so many... Tucker v Tyson comes to mind. In fight injuries include Liston/Clay and Vit/Byrd.... Every fight BHop in which was losing ground some sort of injury popped up.
     
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  5. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopkins a few times.

    Benn in his second to last fight.
     
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  6. clum

    clum Member Full Member

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    No one's ever disputed that Norton broke Ali's jaw in their first fight, but Norton claimed that he did it in the twelfth round rather than the second, and that Ali's version of events existed simply to make it seem like he lost because he had to fight through an injury for almost the whole contest.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A year or so ago I rewatched Ali-Norton I and there was something said that I did not catch before. Cosell brought up in the 8th round that there was something wrong with Ali's mouth. Moreover, he speculated that it may have been from a broken tooth. I think its safe to say it was the jaw and it probably happened mid-fight.
     
  8. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Pacquiao claimed a rotator cuff injury despite using both arms throughout the fight and raising both arms after...said something about swimming in salt water causing it to heal.

    Mike Tyson, spinal.

    Haye with a pinky toe injury.

    Tim Bradley had something with his foot in the first Pacquiao fight.
     
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  10. The Senator

    The Senator Active Member Full Member

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    I certainly make no claim either way in terms of whether the injuries were legitimate, it was more of a question about injuries that have been questioned through the years(or ones which you doubt, I'm not picky), as I've found it interesting that some claims that were seemingly taken for granted in many sources are occasionally treated as outright false or at least heavily doubted.
     
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Holyfield's hole in his heart that Benny Hinn healed with the grace of LOL ... (Lucifer Our Lord)
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Can't believe this entry is coming in so late in the thread.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I remember a fight where Nate Campbell had to stop because the inside of his eye was bleeding (vitreous hemorrhage). The injury was legit, but his eye looked totally normal to an outside viewer.
     
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  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Ofcourse Liston's shoulder in Miami Beach.
     
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  15. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rigo's broken hand vs Loma.
     
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