Divac: Regarding JMM Bradley testing

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  1. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    I'm the biggest JMM fan on the board, along with my man Divac

    Divac, i apologise if this aint on bro, but i reckon when JMM took on Pacman the 4th tam, he was clued into the fact Pac had been cheating all along, and so did the same. I dont know bro, just feels that way.
     
  2. Zombieguy

    Zombieguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Marquez dodges testing it will be very suspicious and inexcusable on his part. And I've been one of his biggest defenders since the wrath of the *******s after KO6. But if he refuses testing then something is up.
     
  3. TiltyNose

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    Kick the sport you love under the rule of corrupt testing agencies.. fawkin idiots.
     
  4. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Its probably not even JMM, but Arum that's causing such friction over this.
     
  5. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JMM ain't cheating and neither is Pac.....Juan has never tested dirty, there are no smoking guns or reliable sources that would warrant any accusations questioning his integrity as a boxer. Juan has earned the right to make his own choices and he's proving that by facing Tim over Pac and now by his stance on the testing protocol for his fight with Bradley.
     
  6. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    memo to self: they all get peds.

    did i say memo...
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They are almost all on PED's.

    If you don't think the MAJORITY of your favorite fighters in recent boxing history have been on PED's, than I don't respect your opinion.

    Sports fans are the most naive in the world.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    From my perspective and opinion, I wont believe Marquez has gone on to cheat just to get an official win over Pacquiao.

    Heredia was hired because Pacquiao refusing to stage fight 3 and 4 at
    140 lbs, forced Marquez hand to seek a qualified strenghth and nutrition coach to put on lean muscle and be able to deal with the strenghth of a welterweight.

    Lets not forget here that Marquez has put on his weight gradually over the course of over 3 years. Its not like he all of a sudden went from lightweight to superman welterweight.

    Lets also not forget that Marquez KTFO a man his size, he did'nt KTFO a true elite welterweight.

    Marquez weighed 143 lbs for Pacquiao 4. Pacquiao weighed the limit of 147 lbs. Who's the PED user here?

    For the record, I think Marquez knows Pacquiao's been cheating since way back when they fought at 130 lbs. He beat him then and I think he knew he could beat him at any weight.

    He beat Pacquiao in fight 3 fighting at a catchweight of 144 lbs.
    Marquez trained to box and boxed a clinic.

    Seeing that the judges would never give him a decision, Marquez had no choice but to train to seek the KO, so he trained for power in fight 4.

    As long as Marquez does'nt do like Pacquiao and outright refuses PED testing, then I'm sure as hell not going to point the finger at a fighter I know respects the sport and respects his body as he applies his craft.

    You get back to me if Marquez refuses testing. Then I'll be ready to state my dissapointment.
    As things stand right now, Marquez is clean and fights clean!!!
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    If most are on PED's, steps should be taken to change that.
    Boxing is a dangerous sport as it is, fighters using PED's to punch harder for longer periods is plum dangerous in combat type of sports.

    Not only that, PED's allow a fighter to go longer and stay stronger for longer periods. If both fighters are using PED's it may mean they both will take the punishment for longer periods, causing more damage over time.
     
  10. SUPER TROJAN

    SUPER TROJAN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Innocent until proven guilty. Just like Pacman and Floyd. Those two have been accused for years, but nothing has ever officially popped up. Until something does, they all won/lost fair and square.
     
  11. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
  12. TiltyNose

    TiltyNose Member Full Member

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    Like what?

    'Extra testing' is obviously bull**** and even if it weren't, who do you think gets to pay that 24/365 crap? Bob Arum? HBO? Small local promoter? Think again.

    Fighters, starting from journeymen?
    Bingo!

    Just because YOU can't handle the truth.
     
  13. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Thank you

    :good
     
  14. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Boxers getting tested 24/7 is'nt feasible so that should be dropped right off the bat.

    There should be testing starting 3 months out from the fight day.

    Fighting is like no other sport when it comes to training. The hardest most intense training starts 5 to 6 weeks out from the fight, during this time they'd be tested.

    If they want to cheat outside of the 3 month testing period, it might carry some benefit heading into training camp, but it most certainly is not going to have the benefit of being able to PED up during the course of the most intense training in the weeks leading to figh time.

    I think the deterrent here is to prevent fighters from being roided to the gills that he's well beyond past a physical strenghth and conditioning point he would'nt be without the use of PED's. Testing during a 3 months window certainly helps in preventing this. The system of testing to catch cheats is'nt perfect, but at least fighters who still want to cheat have to take careful measures to prevent from being caught. That alone imo would diminsh the effects of the PED's he still might be taking with even the most stringent of tests. But at least the fighter does'nt have free reign to roid up every single day and be roided up the ying yang without anyone to deter him.

    The 3 month window might not be perfect, but its a detterent that imo would be effective for boxers, because they risk being overtrained if they start hard training to early.


    As for who pays for it??? :lol: Thats laughable. We're talking about million dollar fightes here.

    You dont put the 3 month window of testing on anyone less than world class. That means world title fights and million dollar purse fighters would have to go through the 3 month window of testing in order to be allowed to compete.

    The promotion in such fights has alot of expenses in place. Testing would only be another expense to add to the damn list. That simple.
    People try to make it complicated and point and say its not legitamate if its not 24/7. Listen, in a sport like boxing, its 1000 times better than what currently sf the protocol for testing now.
     
  15. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^^

    explain how these passed the tests leading to london games:

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