Divide all of the heavyweight champions into cruiserweights and modern heavyweights. . .

Jess Willard = Genuine HW

 

There aint no Heavyweight Champions of the past (before 1970) in therms of modern weight classes. They did not exist. 8-9/10 boxers in Louis and Marcianos era fought as Cruisers, alot of them as 190lb Cruisers.
If you reduced their resumes to fighters with > 200lb, there would simply be no resume. Boxer A 3 fights, boxer B 0 fights, boxer C 2 fights, boxer D 5, boxer E 11 fights..etc. Simply nilch.

 

Agreed and let me go even further. Guys like Gene Tunney were 170 pounds, So they would be light heavyweights by by modern standards. Marciano weighed as low as 178 so he would be a slightly above average light heavyweight . Which is funny when you still see people think Marciano, Tunney, and others could beat modern sized heavyweights.

 

AT his best, Holyfield weighed 205-210 at the scales, without rehydrating this is likely to be his weight on fight night. in fact depending on whether or not he ate before the weigh in, he might have even dropped a bit.

Most modern cruiserweights enter the ring about 205-210 dont they. Therefore, Holyfield would have to be classified as a cruiserweight for many of his best fights,such as the Bowe one.

 

Lol 205-210 pounds is a heavwyeight even by modern standards. Maybe you aren't smart enough to realize that you have to be 200 pounds to be considered a modern heavyweight. Not 180 pounds or less like Marciano, Gene Tunney, and Harry Greb.

 

Clearly you aren't bright enough to realize this but fighters like Arturo Gatti came into the ring weighing 160. Does that make him a middlewieght? So if Holyfield weighed 205 to 210 during the weigh in which is already a heavyweight he could also add more pounds if he wanted too. In either case the weight you weigh in is your fight weight and weight class. But I guess you are just trying to justify that no talent bums like Marciano could still compete against modern heavyweights.

 

If you think small older HWs would not compete well against modern ones that is a respectable position. Calling guys like Marciano bums is just wrong, in both senses.
Why be a stereotypical, estremeist hater? You will never persaude anyone IF you are correct, & will earn only contempt.

And please stop exaggerating size in your favor. Marciano once being 178 as a pro does not make him "180 or less". His ideal was late 180's.
Tunney you actually described as 170. C'mon, do you not know his weights as a HW?
By ther first Dempsey fight he had hit 190.

 

Great. I have nothing but contempt for Marciano fans. He was a bum. If you think beating 4 washed up has beens, a bunch of a mob controlled fighters, and people paid to take a dive for him makes you great then you don't know a thing about boxing.

Lol you think going from 178 to 180 makes much of a difference? He was still as low as 178 which means he was either a slightly above average light heavyweight or a extremely small cruiser weight by modern standards.

Gene Tunney had 65 or so bouts in his career. 55 plus weighing 175 or less. Which means that is his weight. So many boxers gain weight toward the end of their careers. But as usual with stupid Marciano fans and Gene Tunney fans they will find some excuse to why these 170 to 180 pound fighters can compete with modern sized heavyweights.

 

Perhaps you should hold the same contempt for Ali fans. The guys he fought are midgets by todays standards.

 

Jess Willard was A Superheavyweight. Jess would make a mighty fine champion today.

 

If you care, then you are probably spending too much time dwelling on size!

 

If Gatti's opponent pulled out of a lightweight fight and he fought at heavyweight (same training but without dehydrating or however he gets down to weight) instead and he weighed in at 160 then what weight would you say he was? i would say he was still the same fighter that was a lightweight and that he he was not a middleweight.

By the same logic, if a day or two out, Holyfields fighter pulls say riddick bowe pulls out and he is offered a big money cruiser weight title fight, Holyfield could simply dehydrate by not taking fluids and skipping and then he could rehydrate and take to the ring at the same 205 to 210 weight being exactly the same fighter. That is my point.

Now whether he could actually make the 200 on such short notice is not 100percent clear, though as you point out with Marciano, a few pounds here and there actually means nothing. (unless you think that the 200lb weight limit has some sort of mythical magical power) Putting it another way, at 205-210 Holyfield might actually be the smaller man on fight night if he were matched against some cruiserweight champions.

 

Eddie Chambers and Perez had no issue getting down to cruiser since the limit became 200.