Divide all of the heavyweight champions into cruiserweights and modern heavyweights. . .

I'm not a Marciano fan but you sound ridiculous. I don't think "bum" means what you think it means.

 

I have no idea what you are trying to explain and I don't think you do either. My point is kid Gatti came into some fights weighing 160 pounds if not more. No sane person thinks he would beat middleweight Roy Jones Jr.

Holyfield weighed 205-210 on the scales which means he was a heavyweight. A 190 pound cruiserweight who puts on water weight after the way in is still a cruiserweight with water weight added to him.

Gene Tunney was still a 170 pounds, Rocky Marciano was still a 180 pounds. None of these guys were heavyweights by modern standards and never fought heavyweights by modern standards. Which means dumb people need to stop comparing these fighters to modern heavyweights and saying they could beat modern heavyweights.

 

Thread asks for Modern heavyweights who were Cruiserweights.

Evander fought as a heavy and entered the ring around 205, maybe a touch less. Haye and many modern cruisers fight at Cruiserweight and enter the ring at 205. I would say that this suggests that Evander could qualify as the cruiserweight for many of his heavyweight fights. in fact he would fight at a lighter weight than many of the cruiserweight champions.

you are the one who raised Gatti which is different, because Roy Jones as a middleweight had his own water weight to put on.

 

Is reading hard for you? Anything over 200 pounds is considered a heavyweight. So if Holyfield weighed 205 pounds on scale it meant he was heavyweight not a cruiserweight. If current cruiserweights put on weight after the way in wouldn't logic dictate that Holyfield would put on weight as well? No to mention he was already above the cruiserweight limit?

Also what the heck does that have to do with a 180 pound cruiser weights like Marciano and 170 pound iight heavyweights like Tunney? Clearly you aren't smart enough to answer the question and will just repeat that Holyfield was a cruiserweight in some of his heavyweight bouts. So on that note you get blocked for not being able to answer simple question.

 

Divide all of the heavyweight champions into cruiserweights and modern heavyweights. . .

. . . for instance Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano are genuine cruiserweights while George Foreman and Lennox Lewis are truly heavyweights.

That is the question.

Holyfield was a genuine Cruiserweight and Modern Heavyweight in some (not all) fights.

In case you dont understand, Marciano and Dempsey were genuine cruiserweights for some of their fights.

Interestingly, though off topic, as i pointed out in one of the other threads when Marciano fought well known light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, he was actually the smaller fighter in terms of Weight and Reach.

 

Carnera was 6ft 5" and 250lbs, Willard was 6ft 6" but then again most cruiser champs could of licked those two!

 

Foreman wouldn`t of been a midget in any era he weighed more than Wilder did in the Ortiz fight his biceps are bigger, his trunk was thicker and his legs were thicker, are you telling me Foreman was too small to finish Wilder if he had him in the trouble Ortiz had him in because he was too small?! Shavers would have knocked out Wilder in that position, being taller doesn`t make you more capable of taking a smaller punchers shots just ask Willard.

 

Holy got much bigger by the time he fought Tyson, he was bigger than Tyson who was around 220lbs and he bullied him inside easily and overpowered him while taking his shots quite easily

 

Holy weighed more than Wilder did vs Ortiz when he fought Bowe the second time.

 

the Real Breakdown would be L-HW and then the Bigger ones lean toward todays HW...

today's 'Cruiserweight' doesn't really apply... in the past they were bigger HWs or lighter HWs, the later often L-HWs stepping up, or middles even.

today it's NOT the weight, it's the HEIGHT...
Giants who of course weigh more hence the 230-280lb men/fighters, todays Crusiers, many also would be bigger than yesteryears HWs.

so the TRUE Split is Size,
and yesterdays HWs as todays L-HWs and the 'Taller' ones who today could fight as HWs (many would actually be todays Cruisers).

smaller HWs like Dempsey & Marciano would today fight just like their today peers in Height & Weight come in at L-HW, and men like Ali, Homes, Carl Williams & so on would lean towards the S-HW (todays HW), though many would compete at Cruiser today... but as that doesn't suit the question, we'll call them HWs.