DLH, Mosely are better fighters than Floyd all around.

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

    Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

    Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

    Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

    Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

    Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

    And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

    Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

    Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

    Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

    Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like **** at Welter in comparison to 130-135.
     
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  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree in the sense that ALOT of the elite fighters could take Floyd's resume and go undefeated with it.

    But i disagree that Mosley would have utterly destroyed Castillo with no trouble. Castillo beat Stevie Johnston and gave PBF his hardest fight, one which imo JLC won. There is no way he gets "utterly destroyed"

    The truth is that Mosley never destroyed anyone on prime Castillo's level, but that debate is for another thread
     
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  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Furthermore, how does Mosely or DLH do against Hatton even in the state they are in now? Let's say Oscar, now shot, can still make 147 pounds and is fighting Hatton, I think Oscar KO's him easily with zero trouble.

    Same for Mosely, quick, nasty KO's with zero trouble.

    :yep
     
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  4. cdub1012

    cdub1012 Active Member Full Member

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    of course they were... i thought DLH barely pulled out the win against mayweather when they fought... think about it an old, VERY inactive, ring rusted , etc etc DLH fought a very close fight with the pound for pound king... so think what would happen in DLH prime... same wit mosley... i thought he beat cotto in a helll of a fight... so what does that tell you about those 2 fighters....
     
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  5. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Mosely was too much at LW, he's also done pretty decent against pressure fighters even past his best and Castillo is a lot smaller and ultra-limited, Castillo's got a very good 1 dimension, but he's very beatable.

    Stevie Johnston is someone to bring up in a close win as something impressive for a top elite? Nah.

    But yeah, give Oscar and Mosely Floyd's resume and they'd be undefeated and would have beaten everyone a lot more impressively.

    The size situation is a comparison, but I also noted how both went up in a similiar amount of weight and were competitive/effective against truly top opposition at those weight classes.
     
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  6. cdub1012

    cdub1012 Active Member Full Member

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    also i would never rank PBF above oscar or shane in P4P ranking... easy competiton... with the exception of a few fighters..
     
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  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    So basically I'm sick and tired of Floyd being crowned the best of this era when there are better selections if things are looked at unbiased.

    And let me tell you, I hate Oscar De La Hoya, but his resume and performances against vastly better opposition than Floyd's put him over Floyd all time without a doubt.

    Then look at Oscar's performances against Floyd-level opposition and he buzzsawed through them all with little to no trouble.
     
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  8. cdub1012

    cdub1012 Active Member Full Member

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    i agrre and thats why DLH an mosley are my favorite fights... they could have done what mayweather did an take easy fights but they took very dangerous fights that ppl said they were crazy for taking... like hopkins, an wright .... they never backed down from a challenge
     
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  9. cdub1012

    cdub1012 Active Member Full Member

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    For the love of GOD lol thank you amsterdam... finally a oscar hater will say oscar is better than mayweather.... my best of this era is DLH, Mosley, Hopkins, an tito.... an i hate tito but they were the big 4 of this era... the GREATS no question in my mind about...
     
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  10. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I've often asked myself, "how would De La Hoya and Mosley fare against Floyd's competition?"

    Oscar would be 38-0 with around 30+ knockouts
    Mosley would be 39-0 with around 30+ knockouts

    I don't think Floyd beats either of them H2H at 135, 140, or 147, when they were at their best. In fact, I think prime versions of the 1990s WW crop (De La Hoya, Mosley, Trinidad, Forrest, and Quartey) beat everybody right now.
     
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  11. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I give Floyd credit for taking on Corrales when Diego was undefeated and looking fearsome and unbeatable. The Castillio fights were tough assiments too. But what has Floyd done lately besides talk, cherry pick opponents, and engage in dancing contests and sensual psuedo wrestling events with HGH saturated actors? Cotto won't go away just because Floyd chooses to ignore him. If you're biggest wins are over Corrales and Castillio in the first half of your career, and you just become a clown in the second half , can you really expect to make it to the HOF?
     
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  12. superchile

    superchile Well-Known Member Full Member

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    agreed whit evrything you said except cotto stoping maywhether, ocscar,and mosley in their prime would have stoped mayrunner
     
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  13. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have bad news for you: Mayweather will be in the HOF. :yep
     
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  14. cdub1012

    cdub1012 Active Member Full Member

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    i agree diego was bad ass.... but he was so weight drained for that fight... an i think thats what did him in... and i agrre the 90's crop of WW would smoke todays crop
     
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  15. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Weight had nothing to do with what happended to Diego in the ring that night, I'm a Diego fan by the way.
     
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