DLH > PBF legacy wise

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lern1079, Jun 10, 2008.


  1. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think whether you love or hate DLH he has always fought the best. That can't necessarily be said about PBF. I am not trying to discredit what PBF has done in the ring but above 135lbs his competition has not been up to par with the fighter that has been dubbed as P4P #1 in the world.

    DLH was schooling Trinindad when Trinidad was in his prime before he got on his bike. Even after he got on his bike IMHO I think he put enough rounds in the bag to win the fight.

    He fought a prime Mosley. You can say well 135 Mosley was prime, but remember that Mosley skipped the 140 lb division to 147. I give mosley the first fight but not the second.

    I think DLH pulled of the fight the 2nd time around. As we all know now it was a prime roided up Mosley.

    He fought the best all the way up to 160lbs in Bernard Hopkins. He lost by KO but he was man enough to step up to the toughest challenge even in the heavier weight class.

    He fought PBF, Mr. P4P, in towards the tail end of his (DLH) career and wants to fight Cotto. Something that floyd says is not a big enough fight for him to take.

    It just seems that Floyd takes on more calculated risks and DLH is more of a take on the toughest and biggest challenges.
     
  2. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True.

    Hoya can be attacked for various things, but one thing I like about him is that he takes on all threats.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    DLH fought the better opposition, certainly.

    But with the exception of Hopkins, whom DLH fought at a catch weight, you can use the "calculated" argument for DLH too.

    Hernandez moving up in weight, Gonzalez being better at 135 and getting a gift in his last high-ish profile fight against Murphy, Quartey being out for almost a year and a half, Mosley's experience @ 147 compared to DLH at the time, Mosley's poor showings before DLH rematched him, Trinidad having well-publicized weight problems and already had moved up to 154, Vargas looking lousy in his post-Tito fights, Whitaker's showings in his last 3 fights before fighting DLH, etc...

    Very few guys are totally reckless in their opposition level. That's what management is for.
     
  4. djb2009

    djb2009 Member Full Member

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    I might be wrong but I'm sure he fought BHOP at MW for all the belts.

    Yeah I was
     
  5. Thread Stealer

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    It was for all the belts, at a catch weight of 158 lbs.

    Hopkins somehow got down to 156 lbs.

    I was amazed that a 39 year old man with a frame like Hopkins could get down to 156 lbs.

    Some dedicated athlete Hopkins is.
     
  6. djb2009

    djb2009 Member Full Member

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    Yeah just checked catch weight of 157 on wikipedia or 158 or whatever it was
     
  7. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's not forget he entered the welterweight division to fight the P4P#1 champ, Pernell Whitaker, the toughest opponent he could pick to enter the division.
     
  8. jaois138

    jaois138 Dinamita Full Member

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    DLH had a much better legacy. No need to even explain.
     
  9. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whether it was at a catchweight Hopkins was the Man at MW. PBF won't even entertain a fight with Cotto who is now the man at 147 whether or not he is considered the champion of that division. DLH fought an active MW champion.

    When DLH fought B-Hops, B-hops fought Robert Allen 3 months prior and had a fight with Joppy 6 months before the Allen fight.

    When PBF stepped up to fight DLH, DLH had fought once in 3 years and the prior fight that DLH had was a year prior and it only went 6 rounds.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Here we go again with this bull****.:-( Oscarsexuals will do what ever they can to try and prop up their hero. The truth is although Oscar fought better names he still came up short period. It doesn't matter he's not great when facing elites and is 1-5 against them and will be remembered in history accordindly. Not to mention he had some gifts along the way with Pea, Ike and Sturm. He's a great fighter who was made even greater for his ability to draw fans but that has no bearing on his legacy as an ATG and it must be kept seperate. Further to say he has a greater legacy than PBF is foolish he's not a better boxer than he is, he hasn't had a better career and he has a losing record against him. Oscar is a top 75 ATG but PBF is a top 30 ATG not even close.:deal
     
  11. jaois138

    jaois138 Dinamita Full Member

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    What about Floyd's gifts along the way..the first Castillo fight and up until the brawl in the Judah fight he was getting his ass kicked. I'm aware of the fact that he avenged that almost defeat from Castillo; but he still should have lost that first fight.
    The fact is that Floyd retired because he was scared to eventually lose and it was gonna happen soon. And i'm sure all the Floyd fans would have been so very sad like they're idol if it would have been DLH who beat him.
    DLH fought better people and he will go down as a better fighter when its all said and done.
     
  12. lern1079

    lern1079 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If calling someone an Oscarsexual is your argument than I guess you win:patsch

    I agree that DLH lost against Sturm. I saw the S Pea fight when it first occurred and can't recall it properly to speak about it. I think he pulled of the Ike fight. He was schooling Trinidad and should of gotten the nod. He won the 2nd Moslel fight on a roided Mosley.

    You can say, well they gave Oscar the decision but fail to mention when Oscar deserved the decision and didn't get it.

    Well then name 1 fighter on PBF's resume that was on Sweet Pea's level ever.
     
  13. Pimp C

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    The Mosley rematch was close and could have gone either way i'll give you that.
    Oscar chose to run for the hills like a scaled dog against tito the final 4 rounds he has no one to blame but himself for that. Not to mention the last time I checked a championship boxing match was 12 rounds not 8.
    Pea was faded and still dropped and clowned Oscar. A prime Pea fustrates Oscar so bad he quits boxing.
     
  14. Thread Stealer

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    Floyd was getting beaten by Judah before the brawl?

    That's a new one.
     
  15. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Three rounds.
    And Tito was chasing blindly and getting tagged for his efforts.