DLH v Marquez at 135

1. Doubtful, the fight was there for him and Roach steared him clear to the weakest titlist in the division. Pacquaio is great against come forward fighters, put some defense/counter punching and he starts scratching his head

2. I seriously don't remember Diaz winning anything, maybe your scoring has something to do with:

3. Are you being serious, David Diaz was being schooled by a past it Morales until he tired, DD is not even on the level of a Katsidis he got dominated by Soto who isn't particularly good imo

 

You aren't suggesting Pacquiao would have done anything other than utterly destroy Casamayor, are you?

Perhaps you're just absent minded, like how you forgot Diaz had Marquez hurt in round 2 of their first fight?

No, I'm not. Just as Pacquiao dominated and destroyed him, I'd expect Marquez to win handily also.

 

The ODLH of the Molina fight, still hadnt reached his peak and that version probably has a tough time with Marquez... If he dont get him early he still wins but it goes the distance with ODLH winning a close decision.....

However ODLH improved and learned alot from that fight, the ODLH that Kod Ruelas,Leija,Chicanito might get Marquez early, and Marquez might not have time to recuperate ODLH had killer instinct and probably finishes him... If he dont get him early he probably gets Marquez out in the mid rounds.

 

ODLH definitely hit harder than Pac at lW,JW and Welter make no mistake on that one... And his handspeed was comparable to Pacs... Also rangier and would have a big size advantage... Those would be factors here... Style wise comparing him and Pac dont hold much water in this matchup.

 

Based on the fact Casa is 1 of the best defensive fighters with the trickest fight below and the fact Casa pretty won as many rounds against JMM as Pac, then yes I am. Pacquaio is great against fighters lacking defense and his last 5 have had poor defense

If you can tell me which rounds you had Diaz winning I'll look at them, I'm going by memory again, not been disingenous at all

 

What evidence is there whatsoever that Manny hits harder than Hoya at lightweight and above?

I really have my doubts about you seeing much of Hoya during his 135-140 days PP...you pretty much have it completely the opposite.

Oscar was a murderous puncher at the weight...he would not have taken 9 protracted rounds to slaughter a can like David Diaz..Oscar also finished pretty strongly in quite a few of his longer fights at 135-140, it was when he came in a bit fleshier against bigger, stronger fighters he started have stamina issues.

Oscar has no real issues with this version of Marquez...he beats him about as easy as Floyd did, but probably stops him. Though JMM's tenacity, toughness and skill see him go pretty deep into the fight more often than not.

 

No stylistically they are different but if JMM isn't getting blown out by a Pac and he can handle his power/speed, it shows those attributes alone aren't bossing him around in this match up. JMM did pretty well against rangy fighters like Gainer and Polo

 

I've seen plenty of Oscar at 135 and I know his best opponents were small 130lbers moving up in weight, the rest weren't up to that much. Oscar isn't that great a puncher, isn't as an explosive a puncher as Manny but granted he has heavier hands and a great left hook. When Oscar fought elite fighters with good defense, better jabs, counter punching, he had problems. Whitaker and Quartey have similar dimensions to JMM, but are stronger, I had Oscar losing those fights. This Oscar isn't as well polished and maybe drained at the weight

 

WEll comparing Gainer and Polo to OScar isnut... Gainer was barely a decent (sharp) puncher at Fw and Polo wasnt a puncher.. Oscar is one of the hardest punchers ive ever seen at LW and thats saying alot.,.. In fact id go so far as to say arguably the hardest puncher ive seen at LW, with great speed to go along with it..... I agree with with WAR about Pac needing all those rounds and bombs to finish DIaz... Oscar would have finished the job within 4 rounds tops.

 

I'm not comparing them as punchers but as rangy boxer types with excellent jabs to show JMM does deal pretty well with taller boxers

 

And Marquez is what?

What?

What the hell does welterweight fights have to do with how Oscar does against a natural featherweight? Who's defensive reflexes have clearly slowed down with the extra weight and who has developed a more aggressive approach making him even more hittable.

What do you mean by "dimensions" anyway? Quartey is considerably bigger than Marquez in terms of height, reach and frame.

The reasons Oscar had trouble in those fights are obvious...this version of Marquez bring absolutely, positively nothing to the table that those guys brought and comparing them is ludicrous.

What is more pertinent to this argument is looking at JMM's lightweight opponents and seeing how he fared against them...and frankly despite it being commendable he took on bigger, younger guys (besides the corpse of Casa) the fact he had sustained periods of trouble against them doesnt not bode well for him here...when pitting him him against a guy better in every conceivable way.

You argument has more holes in it than a Japanese Nuclear reactor.

 

You are kidding me right?

 

This.

Theres really nothing else to say.

 

Not to change the subject but Diaz wasnt dominated by Soto.. Diaz won a number of rounds and had almost evened it up on the cards by the mid to late rounds... WHo has Katsidis beaten to be rated so much higher than Diaz? I think a Prime Diaz and Katsidis would be pretty evenly matched.