DLH v Marquez at 135

Great post, Rock.

 

Oscar jabs JMM into submission before ending it in the middle rounds with the L Hook.

This is a style nightmare for JMM.

 

At 135, Delahoya definitely DID hit harder than Pac did at the weight. Little to pick between them in the speed department, but I believe Oscar had the edge.

Diaz DID hurt him but was not close to stopping him.

Don't think so.

In addition to a lengthy and distinguished amateur career (223-5 with a 75 % KO record), he had 20 pro fights in three years before moving to 140, including wins over Paez, Ruelas, hernandez and Leija.

I believe you are ignoring the fact that Pac 2008 was not the Pac of 2011. He has improved considerably in nearly every aspect of his game.


IMO, Oscar might take a decision here, but it is just as probable that he stops the smaller man.

 

Marquez has not faced a guy at lightweight that would see the close of three rounds with ODLH.

Just want to recapture some of Powerpuncher's gems throughout this thread. Nothing that tops his claim that Jose Luis Castillo is on par with Carlos Ortiz, but some goodens all the same :

"Whitaker and Quartey have similar dimensions to JMM."

Juan Diaz "was an elite LW at the time" (JMM fought him).

"Talk down JMM's comp all you want but its ... both bigger and better than the SFW Oscar feasted on." (Genaro Hernandez, John John Molina, Jesse James Leija, Jorge Paez - not to mention Raf Ruelas > Casa, Juan Diaz and Katsidis)

"I'm not comparing them (Gainer and Polo to Oscar) as punchers but as rangy boxer types with excellent jabs to show that JMM does deal pretty well with taller boxers."

Fair bit of gold there PP :good

 

Are you smoking crack or just full of so much **** its spewing out your ears? Oscar's reflex's were diminished at 147 as a 24yo with no mileage on the clock? No they weren't the Quartey/Whitaker fights highlighted Oscar's weakness against A Level boxers - open defense and telegraphing punches and you can see he was even less refinned at 135 if you actually know what you're looking for and aren't blinded by his athleticism

And JMM is far more proven than Hernandez/Leija and a bigger stronger man to boot. Oscar hasn't fought anyone remotely on JMM's level at 135 or 140 for that matter as Chavez was well faded

No point talking to you anymore after you stated a 24yo prime Oscar had diminished reflex's

 

Marquez does actually have identicle height and reach to Whitaker :good Diaz was rated top3 when JMM beat him and had beat 3 belt holders coming in

I take it you're nuthugging Oscar and hyping his weak LW comp to hype your hero Whitaker :yep All of Oscar's decent opponent's were small 130lbers moving up in weight that would never achieve anything above 130 and weren't of the class of JMM. Raf Ruelas was the only legit LW Oscar faced at the weight, and the weaker less able of the Ruelas brothers. Arum matched Oscar a little cautiously early on because he knew he wasn't quite the finnished article yet.

 

How about Quartey

I can live with that, I just laughed when I saw the word elite because I understood it in an all time sense, because Juan wouldn't even be a contender in any other era.

Of course, it all comes back to Sweet Pea.

I could see John John Molina and Genaro Hernadez beating Marquez, but that aside, I was more laughing at you thinking Marquez' lightweight comp is better than Oscars - not a chance.

Who do you think he avoided at 135 that was a relevant challenge at the time he was in the division?

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

This is what I said

Try and read it a little bit slower so you don't look like such a dick next time. I'll admit it could have been worded a little better but jesus christ dude.

You're still one of my fav's PP...and its times like these I remember why.

 

Quartey is like an inch taller, no I don't think Diaz is any form of ATG, but I seem to remember allot of people having him P4P prior to the Campbell loss and some saw that as a fluke of sorts

If they fought 10 times Hernandez isn't beating Marquez. Molina has a better shot but I don't see it

As for who DLH could have fought, the other top LWs were Nazarov and Gonzalez, he went on to fight Gonzalez but at 140, young Mosley/Stevie J would have been interesting although I'm not saying he ducked them. In truth the division was weak, and yes today's LW division has weakened too although it was pretty strong in 08. Casamayor is going down as a greater fighter than anyone DLH fought at 135, he was past prime but was coming off the Katsidis KO win and he still had his skills plus no one had stopped him before Marquez, now he's suddenly a 'corpse'

 

OK I'm out anyway

 

And just a tad more thick set.

I just think this says more about the era than about how good Juan Diaz is.

Why? Imo Genaro at lightweight looked sharper than Marquez there and he could box pretty well. If he forces Marquez to come to him, I think he'll beat him. I don't think Marquez has the kind of power to force Genaro to quit either. I can see him outpointing Marquez definitely.

As for Molina, I think he's a more intelligent fighter than either Katsidis or Diaz and can roughouse with the best of them, which will bother Marquez.

I'd pick the Hernandez Oscar fought, the Molina Oscar fought, and probably even the Leija or Ruelas Oscar fought to beat that Casamayor that JMM fought though.

Stylistically Casamayor had the style to bother JMM, but Casa was pretty much fighting off fumes by that stage.

 

Oscar was a considerably better fighter than Marquez flat out. Add in a tremendous, natural size advantage and you've got yourself a curbstomp.

DLH within 8 brutally one-sided rounds.

 

1. Indeed but Oscar was thicker at 147, Ike was still able to land on Oscar pretty easily and in truth win most of the rounds.

2. JD wasn't great but he was a very technical sound pressure fighter that came forward a whirlwind at high speed throwing 100 punches a round a solid body attack combined with in out and movement. The first JMM fight took something from him, he reminds me of Vargas

3. Not sure you can say he looked sharper in 1 losing effort, that fight did highlight some of Oscar's weaknesses, was never sure why Hernandez quit in that 1. Marquez certainly wouldn't quit

4. Yes I like his technique better, but he also wasn't a LW and was probably past his pomp

5. TBH I'm not sure how much Casa had left but I still see him as a bigger challenge than those men. He looked poor in his prior 2 to be fair especially against Santa Cruz although I don't remember that decision isn't quite as bad as is made out

 

oscar was really drained at this weight

 

He looked pretty bad against Corrales IMO and even more so against Pearson...who I feel he was coming from behind to beat on a cut.

For reference.

There was a pattern of beyond primness long before the Marquez bout.