Dmitry Bivol talks about Canelo avoiding rematch and WBC's discrimination against Russian boxers

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  1. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Youve got to learn boxing Doofus If the WBC wont sanction Canelo / Bivol how can they sanction Beterbiev/Bivol CANELO is a DUCK QUACK QUACK QUACK !!!
     
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  2. turbotime

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    Go back to bed Cum-jacket..... (CJ?)
     
  3. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why would Bivol want NO fight?

    No fight = no money = no income = financial strain
     
  4. vargasfan1985

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    It’s a worthless word now
     
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  5. shadow111

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    He said in an interview that he doesn't need more money, that he's comfortable with the money he has and that if he got more belts that will mean more $$ later or or something.
     
  6. lordlosh

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    That belt is in Beterbiev, not Bivol. And Arum have said that he won't make the fight and he support Mauricio Sulaiman and Beterbiev not going to fight Bivol.
    And Bivol cares about Undisputed.
    So how is any of that Bivol's fault exactly???
     
  7. BM237

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    You sound like you are mentally challenged. Arum does not promote Bivol, he promotes Beterbiev , so there is no way Bivol can lose what he does not have.
    Also Suleiman said he would not sanction Bivol vs Beterbiev.
    It sounds nothing like a duck.
    Now Canela said 175 wasn’t his natural weight, so Bivol said ok lets do it at your “natural” weight , but Clen refuses to fight at 168 and offers Bivol less then he paid bums to rematch him at 175 , this most def sounds like most legit duck. As legit as Fury ducking Usyk.
     
  8. BM237

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    when did Bivol said he does not want to rematch Canelo. If you watched this interview he clearly said , Canelo does not want to fight him , that’s why he offered Bivol what Bivol can’t accept.
    Clen is OK to pay bums 8-10 mil, but wants Bivol who whooped him to fight for 2.5 ???
    That is a clear duck.
     
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  9. shadow111

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    It's not his fault, but his reasoning doesn't add up. He claims to not want to fight Canelo because he doesn't care about money, he cares about belts (a noble pursuit). He says his focus is to fight Beterbiev for Undisputed. The problem is he's not being allowed to challenge for the WBC Title which he needs to fight Beterbiev for Undisputed. So his reasoning for avoiding Canelo doesn't make any sense, he can't do what he claims is his priority. Meanwhile (I'd imagine) the same problem would exist for Challenging Canelo for Undisputed at SMW which is also his goal.

    If the WBC won't let him challenge for Beterbiev WBC's Title, then why would they let him challenge for Canelo's SMW WBC TItle? He would need to be able to do that to fight for Undisputed at either weight which he claims is his goal. He's not being allowed to do that.

    So given that, what's the point of ducking the Canelo rematch at 175? To do nothing and wait until the WBC allows him to fight Beterbiev or Canelo for their WBC TItle, which who knows how long that will take (until the Russia Ukraine war ends?). That would have to happen in order for him to fight for Undisputed? You see the problem? He's can't do what he claims he intends on doing instead of rematching Canelo. But meanwhile if he agrees to rematch Canelo, that can happen now.
     
  10. shadow111

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    Canelo does not want to fight him?? Canelo made it very clear that he wants the rematch more than anything. Bivol and his manger have made it quite clear that they have no interest in a rematch with Canelo at 175. Bivol made it very clear in an interview that it's not about money. It's about winning more belts.

    And the fact is that the WBC is not allowing him to challenge Beterbiev for the WBC. The same problem exists if he were to challenge Canelo at 168. The WBC will not allow him to challenge for their World Title. If the WBC isn't allowing him to challenge Beterbiev then why would they allow him to challenge Canelo for their title at 168?

    Don't you get it? Bivol wants to fight for Undisputed, either at 175 vs Beterbiev or at 168 vs Canelo. But he can't as long as the Russia Ukraine War is going on. Yet he's acting like that's what he's trying to do, instead of rematching Canelo at 175. It makes no sense.
     
  11. BM237

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    No , you don’t get it. Canelo says 175 isn’t his weight and when offered to fight at his weight he refuses and his offer at 175 is “ I don’t wanna do it offer” . Why does he want Bivol to fight for 2.5mil when he paid bums he crushed 10 ???
    Why would Bivol be scared of ginger when he whooped him with ease???
     
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  12. shadow111

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    The "bums" he crushed lol demanded more $$, and demanded all kind of things of Canelo to agree to in order to fight him. Canelo gave them everything they wanted. Bivol didn't make those kinds of $$ demands, possibly because Canelo didn't demand anything out of him. (no catchweight, rehydration, etc) Canelo fought him straight up at 175 which few give him credit for.

    Bivol himself in an interview made it clear that him not wanting to rematch Canelo at 175 has nothing to do with $$. Yet you and several other Bivol fans are claiming that Canelo isn't agreeing to pay him more. What the hell are you talking about? Bivol made it very clear that $$ is not why he doesn't want to rematch Canelo at 175. Yet you're claimining it is. And further, you're asking why would Bivol be scared to rematch Canelo at 175 after he "whooped him with ease" the first time. That's a great question, and the answer is obvious. He's scared that he'll lose a rematch and lose his title by a "robbery" decision.

    So again, according to Bivol himself, $$ is not the issue, it's just that he simply doesn't want to rematch Canelo at 175. He wants to fight for Undisputed, at either 175 or 168 but he can't because the WBC won't allow him to challenge for their title due to the Russia Ukraine War.

    So we're stuck in no man's land. He can't do what he wants to do (at either 175 or 168) and he refuses to rematch Canelo at 175. Not for money, because he's scared of being "robbed" given how close the first fight was and how he and most fans don't think it was that close, which makes it a duck. But you're claiming it's about him not getting enough money. That's clearly not it. I'm sure Canelo and Eddie Hearn will agree to give him more $$ if he only demanded it. It dosen't sound like he has made any $$ demands because he simply doesn't want the rematch at 175.

    And the idea that Canelo doesn't want to fight him at 168 is also a myth. It's because the only reason Bivol wants to fight him at 168 is because he wants to be Undisputed, which he can't do due to the WBC's stance. Get it?
     
  13. BM237

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    Nonsense . So you really think first fight was close???:D:D
     
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  14. shadow111

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    You've glossed over the main point of the post - that Bivol can't challenge for Undisputed at either 168 or 175 due to the WBC stance on Russian fighters. Yet Canelo is being accused of not wanting to fight him at 168. Bivol is only interested in fighting him at 168 if it's for Undisputed. It can't happen at 168 until the WBC allows Russian fighters to challenge for titles.

    Further you ignore the fact that Bivol himself is on record saying that the $$ isn't the issue, yet you're claiming it is. Then you have the nerve to claim I'm talking nonsense. I proved that you were talking complete nonsense lol.
     
  15. BM237

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    I didn’t gloss over main point , I just do not read your posts . You are obsessed with Clen and would fight for him to death.
     
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